Some Korean K-pop fans really seem to hate the idea of Japanese artists debuting and I wondered why that hate was so pronounced. If it isn't national pride, it isn't national pride, but I was just entertaining the notion.
It is true that nationalism runs very strong in S. Korea compared to places like Japan. However this is because of the on-going and unresolved issues spun from Japanese colonialism, including an entire psuedo-science and sociological legacy of Japanese racial superiority over other Asians that lives on today (Koreans are violent! Koreans, Chinese, and black Americans cause all the crime in Japan!) and the poor treatment of Korean-Japanese. Korean nationalism also is very strong because of the brutal civil war that completely divided the country based on some self-defining ideology and continues to be experienced every day because of NKorea's batshit weirdness.
So there are 3 points I want to finally make.
First, there are deep historical and factual reasons why Korean nationalism is so strong. None of these things seem to enter into people's minds when they see something stupid like an SNDS/S/mileage comparison. I really like that our board members are generally smarter than the average netizen (ha! I said it!) but this thread is running dangerously close to theories of "Korean culture" bullshit ("culture" being a pretty code word for stereotyping now that vulgar racism is declasse). We can talk about crazy behavior or racism held by those anti-fans without replicating their problems.
Second, your comment in particular is mapping these countries on some weird level of "progress." Unintentionally, you have resurrected the age old formula to denigrate people and places that are "socially behind" as being overly emotional, irrational, etc. Militant feminazis who just need to get laid, angry black people who can't let go, irrational immigrants like those fiery and religious latinos, the poor that lack self restraint, the drunken Irish, the barbaric and childlike Africans...they just need our guidance and wisdom, you know? And DarkRidley, I'm not calling YOU out as someone who has these beliefs but your wording really easily falls into these tropes of domination
Thirdly, we're taking a very small subset of a fan base -- and our understanding of this fanbase is selectively screened through mostly US-based fan sites -- as some indicator of what might be "wrong" with an entire country of people. I'm not trying to discount AEUG's experience with that shithead store owner, but I can't understand how an American immigrant's cold reaction to a customer who cannot speak or understand Korean (can you?) and is not his usual customer base has much to do with the insanity of jealous 12 year old anti-fans in South Korea. The only thing that relates the two scenarios is that both include 1) Korean people and 2) Korean people who are bitchy. This is just stereotyping. That is why I cobbled together an alternative scenario based on my own experience. It should have seemed silly and racist to use my bad experience with this Nordstrom's guy AND random youtube comments as some evidence for the mystery of "White people." Doesn't mean this guy wasn't a jerk. Doesn't mean youtube commenters aren't insane. But the relationships being drawn on these tenuous examples are very unsound.
And in case I get a lot of butthurt defensive replies of "but my best friend is Korean OMG," there is a big difference between straight up racism and the kind of racializations/stereotype thinking that happens on a daily level. Both of them suck, but I'm not sitting here screaming: