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#631 freezingkiss

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:11 PM

Also I can't understand why anyone would prefer H!P over AKB these days...you're all missing out. All you bitter peeps, gtfo.

If that's what your feelings are then I kindly suggest you gtfo of this BBS because you really have nothing more to do here. :geof:


Mature. Maybe I like some of the people here. :/ Then again, maybe not.

#632 The Turtle Moves

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:37 PM

When you're specifically talking about "musicianship" and not something that is less quantifiable like quality of songwriting or other, more subjective aspects of a production, I feel like you need to have some justification or frame of reference for your judgement to be terribly valid to me. It is still somewhat subjective, but not nearly as much as other things. If you don't understand exactly how music is produced from the instruments its being played on, how can you fairly judge whether it is being played well or not for the complexity of the material?

Just because something doesn't sound perfect or pleasing to your ears doesn't mean its being played wrong or with bad musicianship. There's plenty of music I dislike that was being played perfectly as it was intended and written, and also the opposite in some cases, as sometimes the flaws or small imperfections of a recording or performance are what make it unique and exciting. This is also why some live recordings can encompass a very different feel to a song just in the way its being played. They may have wanted this to sound more like an indie pop/punk/ska band and have these small imperfections, and many would argue that is what makes it feel more real instead of just another over-produced pop idol production.

I'm not saying your judgement on musicianship without a frame of reference can't be important to other people, I just don't really put much merit into it. If Turtle is a musician who plays some instruments, then it'd be interesting to hear his comments on my responses, and I won't discredit that.

Oh come on. Over the years my singing voice has been compared unfavourably with a camel being anally raped but I can tell when somebody else is singing in tune or flat. I can't act but I can tell when somebody else has all the skills of an oak tree.

I'm totally incompetent on drums, guitar and piano and I can tell when somebody is similarly awful.

#633 Petit Melon

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:37 PM

AKB bringing out the worst in the board yet again. :rofl: I do like No Sleeves/no3b~ no one ever talks about them though. :/

If they keep the concept going it could be really cool (and force them to sing live hurrrdeerrrp). They reminded me of a school band, so while it's cool, I'm not going to be saying they're amazing or anything like that because it wasn't.

#634 The☆AEUGNewtype

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 08:41 PM

Hmm, I wonder why AKB brings out the worst in the Morning Musume BBS :rolleyes: Maybe because forums based on a certain artist tend to be full of people who can't see past their noses to accept stuff that is sometimes considered a "rival" of said artist.

#635 Ap2000

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:01 PM

Hmm, I wonder why AKB brings out the worst in the Morning Musume BBS :rolleyes: Maybe because forums based on a certain artist tend to be full of people who can't see past their noses to accept stuff that is sometimes considered a "rival" of said artist.


Nope.
A lot of people here actually like AKB and/or several songs.
It's just that several of those people also disliked that performance, but you're die-hard defending, seemingly unable to accept that.

#636 Petit Melon

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:58 PM

Maybe because forums based on a certain artist tend to be full of people who can't see past their noses to accept stuff that is sometimes considered a "rival" of said artist.


That is a load of bull and you know it. I know I've read posts of members who have given them a try and found them not to be their cup of tea. Maybe Hello-online is like that, but that board isn't representative of what is here. I think I've said this in the past too, I can't remember where though...

I'm sorry I can't fanboy with you over their performance. I mean, if I want more what they did, I can always go to midnight pumpkin or oreskaband in my playlists.... ;P

#637 The Turtle Moves

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:01 PM

Hmm, I wonder why AKB brings out the worst in the Morning Musume BBS :rolleyes: Maybe because forums based on a certain artist tend to be full of people who can't see past their noses to accept stuff that is sometimes considered a "rival" of said artist.

Hardly, I enjoy listening to a lot of music and I will listen to anything and I will keep an open mind about anything I hear but I have spent the last year or so arguing that the current MM is rubbish. I am not blind to, what to me are, their current limitations just because I used to like them.

#638 Al Kusanagi

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:07 PM

First you let women vote, and then black people can use our water fountains, and all of the sudden we have to put up with ABK bullshit on our Hello Project board...

*hands out rakes, torches and pitchforks*

I don't bear any ill will towards the girls themselves, but I loathe the marketing machine behind them and the dumb fuck fans buying hundreds of copies of each single. I'm sorry, but they are literally a cancer on the Japanese music industry. And this isn't coming from the perspective of an HP fan, but a fan of several Japanese artists, some popular, and some who have been working for years upon years for recognition, legitimately talented singers, musicians and songwriters, who have to sit by and watch a karaoke act break every record in music history. As much as I bag on Hamasaki, at least she was a creative force that deserved respect. AKB's success is completely due to their marketing.

#639 neshcom

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:35 PM

Hmm, I wonder why AKB brings out the worst in the Morning Musume BBS :rolleyes: Maybe because forums based on a certain artist tend to be full of people who can't see past their noses to accept stuff that is sometimes considered a "rival" of said artist.

Or maybe because some people need to whiteknight major recording artists from the unjustice of criticism to the point of getting personal and ignoring the points of the uneducated masses. Maybe :frown:

#640 Madara

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:36 PM

First you let women vote, and then black people can use our water fountains, and all of the sudden we have to put up with ABK bullshit on our Hello Project board...

*hands out rakes, torches and pitchforks*

I don't bear any ill will towards the girls themselves, but I loathe the marketing machine behind them and the dumb fuck fans buying hundreds of copies of each single. I'm sorry, but they are literally a cancer on the Japanese music industry. And this isn't coming from the perspective of an HP fan, but a fan of several Japanese artists, some popular, and some who have been working for years upon years for recognition, legitimately talented singers, musicians and songwriters, who have to sit by and watch a karaoke act break every record in music history. As much as I bag on Hamasaki, at least she was a creative force that deserved respect. AKB's success is completely due to their marketing.


I recently bought AKB's last Greatest Hits album, "Kamikyoku Tachi," when I saw it in Book Off and I enjoyed it very much. I have their last box set PV compilation, bought on a whim off the rack at a Japanese video store, and enjoy it as well. Their PVs are very well produced and have a lot more budget in them than anything UFA does. "Iiwake Maybe" is one I can just put in and enjoy as a really high-quality PV. Was it the "marketing machine" that's responsible for my enjoyment of them? Or the fact that they're a delightful collection of performers given a host of catchy songs?

Also, AKB popped up in a lot of places in the FNS Music Festival and Kohaku Uta Gassen shows recently and I was happy to see them. Is that because of the marketing machine? Or is it because the producers of those shows found them a joy to work with and an asset to those programs? I can't imagine them getting such exposure in these shows if they weren't well liked by all involved. If it is, indeed, the marketing machine that's responsible for their success, then it's a damn good one and more power to them. They're doing their job well. One can only wish UFA had such a team working for them.

(And, as you all can see, I've changed my avatar as a tribute to this thread.)

#641 Al Kusanagi

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:39 PM

You do realize that groups PAY to be on those shows, right? Maybe not the Kohaku (although I imagine they might), but for most all the major shows like Music Station.

#642 enmi

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 11:04 PM

Props to them for learning instruments, but I wish their management had given them more time. As someone who has played the trombone for 14 years and the piano for 17, I find this a little disappointing. It takes so much time to learn instruments properly. I'm glad they started learning them, though. Maybe someone somewhere who wouldn't have thought about picking up an instrument might do it because their favorite member did. (Not that it is a good reason, but I would love to see lots of people learning instruments. Music is an international language, after all. Music and world peace and all that hippie stuff :rolleyes: )

That being said... this doesn't sound too great. I think I prefer them singing or lip-synching to a playback track. It's probably because I don't like this song too much, though. Maybe another would have been a better choice to play live to, but I don't listen to enough AKB to know a better one.

#643 The☆AEUGNewtype

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 11:04 PM

Hmm, I wonder why AKB brings out the worst in the Morning Musume BBS :rolleyes: Maybe because forums based on a certain artist tend to be full of people who can't see past their noses to accept stuff that is sometimes considered a "rival" of said artist.

Hardly, I enjoy listening to a lot of music and I will listen to anything and I will keep an open mind about anything I hear but I have spent the last year or so arguing that the current MM is rubbish. I am not blind to, what to me are, their current limitations just because I used to like them.

I didn't say that everyone on this board is in that category.

Also, since they've been given their own name, "Baby Blossom," lots of people are speculating that this might be an actual sub-group for the future, which would also open lots of possibilities for them to obviously get better at playing their instruments and also playing many other past and future AKB songs at some point. Its definitely a possibility that was only done as part of the marketing package for this single, but Aki-P always seems to have some trick up his sleeve and surprises us when we least expect it, so better things may soon come of this.

#644 The Turtle Moves

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 11:06 PM

Ho hum.

#645 Shoujo Q

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 11:29 PM

What the hell happened!? Posted Image I leave this morning to Aueg's post and then everything went to bedlam. Of course I started to read the posts but after awhile it became pretty much a butt hurt war.

Point of Fact : Akimoto will try everything in his power to keep his lovelies fresh and sassy to keep them from falling the way most idol groups do after they hit it big. Band Idols are not new. (Hi ZONE!)

I respect anyone who can pick up an instrument and play it. the fact that Akimoto allows his moneymakers to do something besides dance around and act cute and sing gives me more respect for him. It just makes the girls more real.

The music on the other hand, meh. I like their singles well enough but I don't think I'll ever like their marketing schemes, even if they did revitalize the Japanese music market. They have forever tainted it because now I need two or three singles on my ipod instead of one because I'm OCD like that. Posted Image

#646 Afternoon Mimolette

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 11:32 PM

Well. I liked it.
Considering the little amount of time to practice and the fact that they had to get so many girls up to a level that they could perform on a stage, this is pretty good! They're idols, I don't think too many idol fans are looking strictly for talent from the industry (or they'd be extremely disappointed and probably give up on it), so the content of this endeavour is fun and interesting and cool and, for what it is, well-done.

For instance, many people on this board like Buono!, and we're all aware that the girls aren't really rocker chicks. It's about image, and when they screwed around with instruments on stage it just showcased the usual attitude of H!P's "Look at us, we're so debutante and that's what makes us adorable!" When AKB pulled off actually using instruments in that performance, it's cool because it's a novelty that, for this industry, was pulled off well. I don't expect them doing something like this for their next single, so it probably is just a novelty. Since the music and images are created by the producers, anyway, unless you're these three, talent isn't a huge deal in today's idol industry. Just a bonus.

How unfortunate this is is subjective.

#647 Madara

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:09 AM

You do realize that groups PAY to be on those shows, right? Maybe not the Kohaku (although I imagine they might), but for most all the major shows like Music Station.


No, I didn't realize that. Everything I've read about FNS and Kohaku, the two shows I was referring to, indicates you have to be invited to appear on them. Can anyone with knowledge of these shows confirm how one gets on them?

#648 Al Kusanagi

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:20 AM

Again, I'm not sure about the Kohaku as far as if they pay, but large numbers of invitations are extended and many don't accept, usually in lieu of holding their own events. Since it's the most "prestigious" and is a holiday tradition with large viewership, it's a ton of promotion for the artists, so I'd think they pay to get on as they do with shows like Music Station, especially since the Kohaku isn't something that has commercial breaks or advertising.

AKB obviously has tons of budget to work with now, so they can be on everything, while the smaller late night music shows are more friendly towards groups like Berryz, Momoiro Clover and the like.

#649 strawberryjam

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:23 AM

You do realize that groups PAY to be on those shows, right? Maybe not the Kohaku (although I imagine they might), but for most all the major shows like Music Station.


No, I didn't realize that. Everything I've read about FNS and Kohaku, the two shows I was referring to, indicates you have to be invited to appear on them. Can anyone with knowledge of these shows confirm how one gets on them?

Take what I say with a grain of salt. But Music Station, for example, is dominated by Johnny's Jr. It's less so with Kpop boy bands appearing nowadays, but Johnny's Jr old rival used to be w-inds and their sister groups. w-inds was popular enough to appear on Kohaku for a number of years, but not once had they ever appeared on Music Station, special or normal live. Also, 2011 was the first year they ever appeared on FNS despite being way past their prime.

#650 Al Kusanagi

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:32 AM

Yeah, there's obviously lots of politics going on behind the music show scenes. Utaban must have had something going on with UFA, because it was a haven for HP acts no matter how small. I know there are times when shows will invite artists on for free, when the show itself needs the ratings bump or for the novelty of foreign artists, but there's a reason that they call going on music shows "doing promotion" nowadays.

#651 The☆AEUGNewtype

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 05:05 AM

Point of Fact : Akimoto will try everything in his power to keep his lovelies fresh and sassy to keep them from falling the way most idol groups do after they hit it big. Band Idols are not new. (Hi ZONE!)

ZONE are also not idols, they are a band, just like Scandal is and just like Princess Princess was, etc. Moritaka Chisato was the first actual "idol" who played instruments, as she often played guitar, piano, and drums, but of course, she was one girl, not a band, so its not quite the same as a whole idol group playing together, and 80's idols were a bit different from those of today.

#652 Al Kusanagi

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 05:11 AM

ZONE actually were idols in the beginning. They wanted to be a band but were pushed as idols and just pretended to play. There were even singles/PVs where they made them dance instead of hold instruments. Then, as they got popular and the girls had a little more pull, they insisted they stop copping out and really play, so Akashi was their debut where they actually played their own instruments and then, by the end, they were finally able to perform songs they worked on themselves. The term "bandols" were coined for them, which I would apply for Scandal, just because they're attractive and have entertaining personalities to where they could be idols if they wanted to. Not to be confused with "rock idols," which is what Buono is being called now.

#653 The☆AEUGNewtype

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 06:11 AM

It seems they were actually idols when they were indies/when no one really cared about them, then by the time they got their major debut, they were marketed as a band. I never cared for ZONE's music, so I never researched their history or anything, I'm just going by what bits I remember, so correct me if I'm wrong.

#654 delerium

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 06:19 AM

Yeah, there's obviously lots of politics going on behind the music show scenes. Utaban must have had something going on with UFA, because it was a haven for HP acts no matter how small.

FYI, Aki-P was producer for Utaban.

#655 strawberryjam

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 08:05 AM

Yeah, there's obviously lots of politics going on behind the music show scenes. Utaban must have had something going on with UFA, because it was a haven for HP acts no matter how small.

FYI, Aki-P was producer for Utaban.

To clarify, I don't really think MM and AKB have that kind of tension in the background. But Madara asked about how artists get on these shows. I do think it is possible that because Akimoto has worked a lot in the industry, he has connections and he might get special treatment, whereas Tsunku, who has stuck to his own little world, wouldn't. But I haven't see anything that indicates that, at least for anything major. :tongue: Even if there was, it was not needed because H!P has been sucking awhile. :lol:

#656 Madara

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 04:18 PM

My point was that it seems unlikely that AKB was featured so prominently in FNS and Kohaku simply because someone had paid for it. I can't imagine AKB getting so much exposure unless the producers of those shows genuinely wanted them to be there. They pop up regularly throughout both shows. So that's two completely different networks and sets of producers we're talking about.

#657 Shoujo Q

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 12:57 AM

Two members of AKB48 are leaving for breaking the sacred idol rules! (Hirajima Natsumi (Team B, Watarirouka Hashiritai 7) and Yonezawa Rumi (Team K))

I guess WataHashi is either going to get a new member or turn into 6?

Edit: GIVE ME FIVE - Short PV is out. The long PV is like insane 30+ minute drama.
I don't know if it's the rip, but their lips are not matching the vocals. It's either that or they are just NOT emoting enough. Atsuko is a front girl but she's acting like she's a back girl. SHOW a little more emotion girl. Why do people keep picking her? Posted Image

#658 Saya

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 08:22 AM

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT NACCHAN! :cryalot:
She's a 1st gen too D: And I love her in Warota....
*feels sad*

I like Yone too, but AKB shoved her to the back, so I won't even notice if she's gone... ):

#659 The☆AEUGNewtype

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:39 PM

If what the reports say is true, I think this was actually a good thing for Watarirouka. They're definitely my favorite sub-group by far, but I never cared too much for Nacchan or Wasamin (not that they were bad, but they never stood out,) but apparently both of them were dropped from the group and they took the "7" off the name, so its back to 5 members, with the lineup as Mayu, Love-tan, Harugon, Komorin, and Kikuchi <3 Wasamin is going solo anyway, so its not like you won't be seeing her around. But those 5 that the group consists of now are some of my overall favorites from all of AKB. Love it.

#660 strawberryjam

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:48 PM

Poor Nacchan. I don't care too much about her, but I did know a huge fan of her..
Seems to be a huge mistake for a 1st gen. I guess she really liked him ???