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Ogata Haruna to graduate MM&H!P 67 replies to this topic Started by AquaChan , Mar 27 2018 01:44 PM · 

#61 DonJuan

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 10:45 PM

If I was advising the group, I'd actually have her focus more on developing her personality over singing and dancing.

 
Honestly, while her singing can be painful she is still a better singer than Sayumi, Koharu or Konno. And she's totally willing to adapt a character that's not cool, a character that can be made fun of, something that could totally work for an idol. And I agree with you, her personality is probably her biggest potential. She could easily go the Koharu route and become an anime character. That's what I mean with management going the easy way: Of course it's easier to have Maria as one of the top handshake sellers and sell a dozen photobooks of her than to actually promote her in an individual way. Hell, if Sayumi would've done nothing but performing she'd probably be another Oharu now. I get that they can't just say "hey, who needs a shoujo anime heroine - we got a girl to promote!", but they could do something to build her character. May it be the one of a spoiled princess, or one of the youngest daughter who is a crybaby, or whatever. Make her do a sketch about that on Hello! Station or one of their damned DVD magazines (instead of the 100th episode of musical chairs). You don't need much. Let her do mock interviews where she misunderstands everything and makes herself the focus of attention. 
 
I thought Akane's fanfiction during Duu's graduation (was it that concert? I think so), about Duu dating Miki but dumping her for Ayumi, was funny and interesting and definitely is something that I think of when thinking of Akane. You can't do this only once per year, though. And not with only one member. 
 

Kaga is probably all she's ever gonna be, but she's acceptable filler and is so damned likable.

 
I like Kaga, but your description underlines my opinion that until a few years ago, Kaga would have never been chosen for Morning Musume. She has peaked already, and while she has some room to improve it's not much. We all shook our heads when girls like Tsuji, Konno, Sayumi, Koharu and the like were added to the group but in the end we could follow them developing into sucessful idols. I fear that the most spotlight Kaga will ever get was a few days of headlines about her cinderella story when they introduced her as a new member.
 

Then there's Chisaki, who is 18 and therefore unlikely to improve on her  limited abilities, and seems to hate being in MM. In short, she's everything that Yoko is not. She could be fired tonight, and I'd be totally cool with it.

 
Gotta be the dick here: Does Chisaki have any personality aside from being shy and getting red ears? I don't think she adds anything to the group except for a pretty face. Her dancing is pretty good I guess but that doesn't matter since group dancing can always only be as good as your weakest link. They call her the Sayashi of Tochigi, but she doesn't even have half of Riho's stage appeal.
 

I'd love to see the current leadership completely gutted, Maa made the new leader with Ayumi as her right-hand, and one new honest talent brought on board.

 
Knowing Masaki I doubt she'd want to be a leader. In fact she's hinted that she originally wanted to graduate this year but didn't when Oharu announced her graduation. She also mentioned that she'd like to be the group's producer - I know they won't give her much responsibility but if she leaves now, goes to university for 2-3 years and comes back as a advisor I'd totally welcome that (ignoring that she's probably already decided not to go to university).
 

We scoff at the idea of MM becoming a talented group ever again because the J-idol world has moved away from that so much, but all you have to do is look across the hall at ANGERME to see that it can be done, and how good they can be. Sure, ANGERME sells half of what MM sells, but that's the difference in branding. If the current lineup of ANGERME was called Morning Musume, they'd sell better than they do.

 
Which amuses me even more considering the bickering between Morning Musume and ANGERME fans. MM fans are elitists after all, ignoring the fact that ANGERME has no real weak link.

/Edit: Because we were talking about it: Oharu's graduation concert.
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#62 JPope

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 11:49 PM

I thought Akane's fanfiction during Duu's graduation (was it that concert? I think so), about Duu dating Miki but dumping her for Ayumi, was funny and interesting and definitely is something that I think of when thinking of Akane. You can't do this only once per year, though. And not with only one member. 

 


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Gotta be the dick here: Does Chisaki have any personality aside from being shy and getting red ears? I don't think she adds anything to the group except for a pretty face. Her dancing is pretty good I guess but that doesn't matter since group dancing can always only be as good as your weakest link. They call her the Sayashi of Tochigi, but she doesn't even have half of Riho's stage appeal.

 

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Knowing Masaki I doubt she'd want to be a leader. In fact she's hinted that she originally wanted to graduate this year but didn't when Oharu announced her graduation. She also mentioned that she'd like to be the group's producer - I know they won't give her much responsibility but if she leaves now, goes to university for 2-3 years and comes back as a advisor I'd totally welcome that (ignoring that she's probably already decided not to go to university).

 

That was the moment I stopped hating Haga's presence. It was clever, funny and silly, and it hearkened back to the good old days.

 

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That's just ridiculousness. Riho carried MM on her back for basically two years.

 

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I didn't know she wanted to leave. That sucks. I really think that, of all the current members, her leaving would be the most devastating, for me anyway.



#63 Farrah

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 02:44 AM

Masaki reminds me of Fukuda Kanon, in that they both feel like idols that would've flourished back in the good ol' days, but instead they get their self esteem toyed with by the current culture.  They're both girls that wota frequently complain are "disobedient" or "unruly".  When I first got into idols, those were the most popular girls!  Now wota want a basic, boring Yamato Nadeshiko that they can call their waifu.  Wota called Kanon a fat bitch, and they call Masaki a loose canon.  UFP told Masaki to tone herself down to be more of a Nadeshiko type and her entire vibe has changed ever since - it's not as bad as it was a little while ago, but she still looks put out and like she doesn't have as much fun as she used to, even pre-hernia. 

 

I wonder how current wota would feel about a Yaguchi Mari personality type in MM LOL.  A spunky attitude used to be a great way to set yourself apart and build a brand, but nowadays?  Not as much.  Of course, Kanon and Masaki both had/have fans, but it's kind of like they don't have those fans for the reasons they'd prefer?  Like those fans follow them in spite of what makes them unique rather than because of it. =/  But I've been complaining about the current state of idol fan culture for years now so I should probably just shut up and accept it haha.



#64 JPope

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 04:25 AM

I just instinctively fall back on using Angerme as the gold standard of H!P, but I should probably start using J=J, as well, and especially if they continue to out-sell Angerme. So H!P has two fairly talented mega-groups, and neither of them are the "Flagship". 



#65 Zoe

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 01:15 PM

I didn't know she wanted to leave. That sucks. I really think that, of all the current members, her leaving would be the most devastating, for me anyway.


She didn't exactly want to leave--she was told by a fortune teller to leave either this year or 5 years from now.

#66 yuzu

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 06:13 PM

God I wish Masaki would leave.  Watching her in videos is just so painful to me now.



#67 Meikochi

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 10:40 PM

God I wish Masaki would leave.  Watching her in videos is just so painful to me now.

 

May I ask why ? She still has her moments on TV or backstage and she is really good on stage.



#68 yuzu

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Posted 26 June 2018 - 09:42 PM

I never liked her to begin with but she just seems like she is over it.