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Kago goes Semi-Nude Aibon's Basket isn't so Sweet anymore. 81 replies to this topic Started by Shoujo Q , Jan 19 2009 06:15 PM · 

#31 JPope

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 01:02 AM

If you really want to die, there are foolproof ways of doing it that are transparent to even the stupidest of humans, even Kago. I think that wrist-slitting is almost always more about "LOOK AT ME!!!" and less about "God, I'm ready".

Threats and cutting may (in some cases) be about attention, but actually attempting to commit suicide is completely different, and I can't believe you would write that.


Eh, not every "suicide attempt" is an actual attempt to kill one's self, and wrist cutting rarely results in death. I'm not saying that someone who cuts their wrists doesn't have problems -- they clearly do -- but the majority of them aren't really trying to kill themselves. If they were, there are plenty of trains in Japan to stand in front of, plenty of tall buildings to leap off of, and plenty of drugs to ingest -- not to mention far better places to cut one's self -- that would be far more efficient at getting the job done.

#32 palsunstar

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 02:47 AM

I pretty much disagree with every single one of your points, palsunstar. Is this really the best she can do? The famed child-star of Morning Musume that everyone (seemingly) loved? ALL of your so-called "tame" attempts to get back into the spotlight strike me as being particularly desperate, and I find it kind of sad that you think that it's "not that bad" until she does full blown nudes. After what she did with her fame and popularity as a child, does she really need to return to this lifestyle as an adult?

Kago has not grown up in my eyes at all, and every thing she has done so far just keeps proving that to me. I wish she'd disappear, keep what little dignity she still has left, and enjoy her life out of the public eye.


I think working with Sammo Hung in a Hong Kong action flick is definitely a step in the right direction.

And I don't think we've seen the best she can do. We all know she already has talent, based only on her years working for Hello! Project.

No need for her to disappear...again...she's trying to reestablish herself is all & there's nothing wrong with the way she's going about it.

She's come forth with her problems and survived and she's got the strength to continue to try to entertain people.

And, to tell you the truth, even if she went full blown nude, I would have no real problem with that (except as I mentioned, she should regain some flesh).

There is no indication that she is desperate for anything other than being willing to reenter show business.

Once again, I hope she succeeds.

If some of you choose to look down on some of her attempts, then that's the real sad part.

These photos are not "tame", although they aren't "semi-nude", either. I'm kind of surprised that it took this long for an H!P vet to go all high-profile trainwreck on us. Kago may be trying to "work her way back", but come on dude, this is pretty pathetic.


I will give you that she could do some things better, but "high-profile trainwreck"? Not even close.

#33 alita87

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 03:01 AM

I don't know for sure if this is the best path for her, but I don't think any of us do. I know I will be buying this slightly awkward attempt at gravure just because it is Kago. And there are also other shots of her and a dvd so I'm curious as to the contents. I like some of the pics, others make her look too scrawny. So it's not the semi-nude that bothers me, it's that she needs to eat. Ribs are not attractive if you're trying to do anything gravure related. But the photo of her wrapped in the ribbons or lying facedown on the bed, I think those look really good.

I say let her try doing a billion different things, eventually she'll find what she wants. She'll still has acting roles and music releases coming up so it's not as if this is the only thing she's doing at the moment.

#34 shadeedge

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 03:19 AM

Eh, not every "suicide attempt" is an actual attempt to kill one's self, and wrist cutting rarely results in death. I'm not saying that someone who cuts their wrists doesn't have problems -- they clearly do -- but the majority of them aren't really trying to kill themselves. If they were, there are plenty of trains in Japan to stand in front of, plenty of tall buildings to leap off of, and plenty of drugs to ingest -- not to mention far better places to cut one's self -- that would be far more efficient at getting the job done.

Eh, as far as efficiency goes, I think cutting yourself can give some of its popularity to being a relatively quick thing to do, especially if the urge is a short-lived one. Walking to a good spot to chuck yourself off of gives you time to rethink it; getting a blade of some kind could just mean going to another room. Plus it's probably the first thing to come to mind for a lot of young people in terms of offing oneself, and not everyone knows how effective a method it is or know where else to cut.

Of course the same "ease of use" idea also applies to drugs, assuming the average Japanese household has the same amount of pills to hand to dose yourself up with, and wrist-cutting like you say can often just be a cry for help, or whatever. But I think even if the majority of cases aren't true attempts (which is likely), I don't think you can necessarily so easily dismiss most cases as attention seekery.

#35 Falcon

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 03:32 AM

I think that any suicide attempt is very serious and it is a sign of mental instability more than a cry for attention.

However disclosing to the public that you had done something like attempt suicide could easily be mistaken for attention whoring. Honestly that doesn't seem like something you'd disclose to anyone but the doctor, family and a few friends (oh and your tell all book or whatever because no one will read it unless you have a serious downward spiral).

Alright moving out of that depressing conversation.

The shots look sort of trashy/adult which is what I assume she is going for. Well good luck to her but I think (like many others) that she is strolling down the wrong path.

Prove us wrong kiddo!

#36 eri

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 04:59 AM

Good old bbs commentroversy!

I think this current generation is much more open about their troubles than an earlier generation would be (hence, being direct about mental illness is not always attention whoring).

What about re: the Japanese cultural context where suicide and all that is extremely hush hush?

#37 alita87

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 12:45 PM

Good old bbs commentroversy!

I think this current generation is much more open about their troubles than an earlier generation would be (hence, being direct about mental illness is not always attention whoring).

What about re: the Japanese cultural context where suicide and all that is extremely hush hush?


Japanese culture is very hush hush about it, in fact I'd go so far as to say that in many cases mental illness just "doesn't exist". But that's changing. There are many mental clinics now, I go to one monthly to get my meds, but unlike Western clinics where the doctor actually talks to you, here they are still few so the doc doesn't have time to talk. The main thing the doc makes sure of is whether or not any side new side effects have appeared since you were last there.

But I think Kago made it clear when she said she cut herself with common household scissors that it wasn't a suicide attempt. She just did it because she felt so much pain and confusing and mentions especially a lot in her book that she didn't think of it as any way she would die, she just wanted to verify that the pain she was feeling was there. And she didn't cut that deeply. Deep enough that she panicked and then realized there was no way she could go to a hospital but not deep enough to cause her to be in any danger being home alone before she called for someone to come help her fix the mess she'd put herself into. She mentions calling a friend (I forgot whether it was Tsuji who she mentions keeping in touch with during her house arrest or someone else) but then knowing she had to and calling UFA to figure out what they were going to do.

Yes it started seeing like she was being somewhat of an attention whore when she said it over and over in interviews and her book, but I think she had the intention of wanting to make it clear that she wasn't that bright always cheerful Kago that she'd presented in the past.

This fabled photobook comes out tomorrow, though I'm not sure if I'll go to get it as I also need to go shopping for more work clothes before work.

#38 fpd

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 01:08 PM

I think she had the intention of wanting to make it clear that she wasn't that bright always cheerful Kago that she'd presented in the past.

Well, I know that it helps people deal with that type of shit by telling people about it. If it really was serious depression that led to it, it helps diffuse the situation and helps to kind of get it in the open so that it's not some dark secret you have. My life got a lot better when I started being more open about childhood/teenage shit, and I'm sure that's what led to a lot of her being anxious to tell about it.

#39 TnB

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 02:28 PM

I think that any suicide attempt is very serious and it is a sign of mental instability more than a cry for attention.

However disclosing to the public that you had done something like attempt suicide could easily be mistaken for attention whoring.


"Attention whoring" and "cry for attention" are not necessarily the same thing. Seeking attention can be a big part of mental instability or depression. There's a difference between seeking fame, praise, or pity (which I don't see her as doing) and trying to build self worth by being acknowledged by others. I kind of see Kago as more of the second, but I hesitate to go quite that far since obviously I don't now her personally. At the very least, she definately does not come off as stable and happy.

#40 Falcon

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 03:59 PM

I think I meant more seeking pity in both cases. Although I think you are probably correct about seeking that kind of attention may be a part of the mental instability.

To be clear I'm not accusing her of attention seeking for the sake of pity (by making it public). I am saying that it could easily be interpreted that way whether or not that was the intention.

Mental health is an interesting topic.

#41 Mudfish

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 02:29 AM

I think she had the intention of wanting to make it clear that she wasn't that bright always cheerful Kago that she'd presented in the past.

Well, I know that it helps people deal with that type of shit by telling people about it. If it really was serious depression that led to it, it helps diffuse the situation and helps to kind of get it in the open so that it's not some dark secret you have. My life got a lot better when I started being more open about childhood/teenage shit, and I'm sure that's what led to a lot of her being anxious to tell about it.

This is pretty much exactly how I felt about the whole situation.

#42 eri

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 02:46 AM

Semi-cutting wrists as a cry for help is one thing. Suicide attempts are very serious. This is not the same thing as:

Announcing that you did that in a media publication to the general wide audience, in your first major post-scandal interview, in a society where mental illness is largely not discussed. Or is it?

#43 freezingkiss

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:57 AM

Found this one on Hello! Online

http://www.hello-onl...24044240646.jpg

O_o

#44 fpd

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 10:57 AM

Found this one on Hello! Online

http://www.hello-onl...24044240646.jpg

O_o

Hotlinking doesn't work, but assuming it's the one that was on the front page when I just looked at the picboard, she looks like such a huge crackwhore in that picture rofl.

#45 alita87

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 11:09 AM

The book and media store I stopped at on my way to the manga cafe today didn't seem to have Kago's book but they only had a very small photobook section. All of which were male oriented and has me getting weird looks from the people passing by as I browsed the titles. :lesson:

Will be biking to the mallish building tomorrow though to look for shoes so can stop in the bookstore there and get even more weird looks. :thumbsup:

#46 freezingkiss

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 02:13 PM

Found this one on Hello! Online

http://www.hello-onl...24044240646.jpg

O_o

Hotlinking doesn't work, but assuming it's the one that was on the front page when I just looked at the picboard, she looks like such a huge crackwhore in that picture rofl.


Her boobs are huge, and it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable looking at that picture O_o. Just for anyone who couldnt see it i'll link it to my photobook.

http://i429.photobuc...24044240646.jpg

#47 alita87

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 02:58 PM

I think she looks really good in that picture. Not perfect for gravure because of the slightly scrawnyness. But the picture itself is rather tasteful in my opinion. Her facial expression is a bit strange, it looks like sh was trying to go for the sexy good morning face, but didn't quite get there and instead just looks kinda put off as to why you're there looking at her.

#48 The☆AEUGNewtype

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 05:34 PM

I haven't said much yet because I don't really care very much about the subject, but that last picture looks really bad. That's just extremely unattractive for a reason that's hard to explain. Its not that I hold her previous "innocence" in mind when looking at stuff like this, even more reinforced that she looks so different now I can't even mentally associate these new pictures with her as a person. Beside the fact that I don't have her previous career in mind, these just look like some really trashy, desperate photos, and I can't think of any other way to describe it.

#49 Mudfish

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 07:24 PM

Honestly, the shots wouldn't look half as bad if she had the right body type, but with her ribs showing through in every picture, it's just... :/

#50 TnB

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 07:52 PM

I haven't said much yet because I don't really care very much about the subject, but that last picture looks really bad. That's just extremely unattractive for a reason that's hard to explain. Its not that I hold her previous "innocence" in mind when looking at stuff like this, even more reinforced that she looks so different now I can't even mentally associate these new pictures with her as a person. Beside the fact that I don't have her previous career in mind, these just look like some really trashy, desperate photos, and I can't think of any other way to describe it.



Honestly, the shots wouldn't look half as bad if she had the right body type, but with her ribs showing through in every picture, it's just... :/


I think a lot of it is the lack of professionality to the shots too. First of all, it's on some bed with plain white sheets up against a wood panel wall, so it looks like it was taken in some guy's bedroom in a basement somewhere. Then the way she's posed is just so awkward and makes her look bad - it makes her stomach look slouchy while having the ribs showing through, and then she has one arm squishing one boob upward and the other arm squishing the other boob down. The idea of a pose where you know she's nude but you can only actually see a hint of it can be classy, but it's just done so unprofessionally here that any attempt at sexy/playful/classy/mature is thrown out the window.

#51 mrip

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 12:55 AM

Kago is looking exceptionally crack whorish in that newest picture.

#52 Soulgenesis

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 09:29 PM

why the hell do i not own this pb?

WANT

#53 Farrah

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 09:03 AM

Oh my god. This PB just got a bit more... explicit.

http://www.picamatic...07_bigthumb.jpg
http://www.picamatic...08_bigthumb.jpg
http://www.picamatic...11_bigthumb.jpg
http://www.picamatic...04_bigthumb.jpg

I was okay with this before, but really, are pics like these neccessary?

#54 fpd

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 09:27 AM

Oh my god. This PB just got a bit more... explicit.

http://www.picamatic...07_bigthumb.jpg
http://www.picamatic...08_bigthumb.jpg
http://www.picamatic...11_bigthumb.jpg
http://www.picamatic...04_bigthumb.jpg

I was okay with this before, but really, are pics like these neccessary?

I get a 403 forbidden on those unless I just copy/paste the link lol.
All equally unattractive looking. This is a pretty amazing train wreck.

#55 Mudfish

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 10:59 AM

Ho-lee shit.

#56 Shoujo Q

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 12:39 PM

I was going to post those pictures, but I think my brain died a little looking at them. It does that when it sees things it doesn't want to see.

Now the PB really does need the cheesy porno music. :sideways:

#57 strawberryjam

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 12:47 PM

This is what she wanted instead of being childish? It sucks to be doing an act that you don't care about, but still, this is... :sideways:

I was willing to accept whatever direction she wanted to take, but this is awful. :heart: If this is some way of exercising, "YEAH, I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT!" It's not really the greatest way. Whatever.

Oh well, I probably fail at making sense of this.

#58 Pi Miki

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 01:06 PM

None of those links work, even if I copy and paste them...

#59 Lovely

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 01:31 PM

You know, I find those pictures to be way less offensive than this one:

Posted Image

I prefer the crudeness of Kago's pornographic shots over the pseudo-sense of eroticism elicited by Kusumi's shot. Both are meant to be sexual. At least Kago's are (more) honest about their intentions.

I think Kago's are meant to tell a story; they're meant to be seen as film shots, rather than standalone pin-ups. The viewer's instinct is to let their imagination run and create a scene around each photograph. That Kago isn't looking directly at the camera incorporates her into the scene more fully and pulls the viewer in. The scene is erotic because it's crude and real.

In Koharu's photo, the message is much simpler: "Look at me! I'm hot. I'm a sex symbol." She stares directly at the camera (well, actually, she's doing "fashion model eyes" -- staring into a point in space just above-and-behind the camera -- which makes the whole thing more hilarious), spreads her legs, and strikes a glamour pose in a trashy outfit. There's a concerted effort going on to make her look sexy, rather than be sexy, and I find that way more unattractive.

To possibly confuse things with an analogy, to me, it's like the difference between drawing a scene "as it is seen", and communicating it using stick figures and other symbols which are popularly understood to be representative of a concept. The latter is an advertisement; the former falls closer to the category of art and offers more richness in meaning.

(Disclaimer: I strongly dislike both photos/sets as judged on their own merits -- both fail to accomplish their goal -- but given the choice, I'd take Kago's.)

#60 alita87

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 02:41 PM

I like those new shots, the orgasmic face is sexy to me. And kinda funny because it looks more like she's having an orgasm than most porn stars I've seen, I'm thinking Kago-chan might have some experience there :sideways:

Too bad neither of my smaller book shops near me had it, I'll have to hope they have some copies at Sanseido when I am in Nagoya next saturday to get concert supplies.

And I agree with Lovely, this is much better than 16 year old Koharu, yes that shot was sexy but it's so not the image she has coming off of her most of the time. These shots do remind me of something from a film, an obviously sexual film, but a film.