Hello!Spam :: 2026 ~Dancing, Singing, Exciting!~
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Ocha Norma’s Roko and Miku sing Tanpopo’s Last Kiss acapella.

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Found Momohime's opening of Gatamekira on Youtube. Goosebumbs.
EDIT: lol ok found the full thing
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Y’all remember Ogata Risa and what led to her eventual sudden graduation from Tsubaki? Well Kita Rio said, hold my beer and double down because she is in another bit of trouble. Leaks of her Snapchat ended up on Twitter when she complains about members of Morning Musume.
And then not long after that a quick, blink and you’ll miss it, photo of Oda Sakura with a guy appeared and disappeared.
The original got taken down so it’s questionable if it was real or not.
But anyway, enjoy your scandals. It’s been a minute.
Morning Musume have a concert Sunday so they may stay mum about it all and UF will probably say something on Monday. Depending on how crazy and bad this all really is.
Update: Oda responded that the photo was real but it was from a series of photos with family and friends and the one they threw up to cause discourse was put out with malice intent. One wonders how the photo got taken to be leaked. I’m sorry Oda had to apologize. It was only leaked to cause chaos after the Rio leak.
So messy.
And then not long after that a quick, blink and you’ll miss it, photo of Oda Sakura with a guy appeared and disappeared.
The original got taken down so it’s questionable if it was real or not.
But anyway, enjoy your scandals. It’s been a minute.
Morning Musume have a concert Sunday so they may stay mum about it all and UF will probably say something on Monday. Depending on how crazy and bad this all really is.
Update: Oda responded that the photo was real but it was from a series of photos with family and friends and the one they threw up to cause discourse was put out with malice intent. One wonders how the photo got taken to be leaked. I’m sorry Oda had to apologize. It was only leaked to cause chaos after the Rio leak.
So messy.

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I'm probably an asshole, but I'd be lying if I said the pearl clutching over this incident from newer/younger fans didn't make me giggle. It sucks that Rio seems utterly miserable to be in this group, it sucks that she hates seemingly everyone she's working with to such an extent that a member accidentally bumping into her during a song feels worthy of multiple social media posts, HOWEVER... it also feels sooo tame compared to some of the stories we've heard about the Golden Era feuds lol jesus, half the group practically banded together to systematically bully a 13 year old out of the line-up back then!
That said, it's not gonna help her that this is her second major scandal in just a couple months. I wonder how UFP will handle it. I'm seeing wota say this is even worse than the Ogata Risa incident since Risa's complaints were mostly targeted at one member and mostly regarding work (vs KitaRio being at bitch-eating-crackers status for half her groupmates, "Look at this bitch with her pigtails" etc lmao). Tbh, when Sakura kinda came for her during her dating scandal earlier this year, I suspected there must be bad blood there - Sakura was pretty defensive of Sayube during her dating scandal, yet quick to insinuate KitaRio lacks worth ethic.
I guess all our old theories about infighting and drama making the group more entertaining were wrong though, the group has still felt stagnant as ever for the past few years lol.
That said, it's not gonna help her that this is her second major scandal in just a couple months. I wonder how UFP will handle it. I'm seeing wota say this is even worse than the Ogata Risa incident since Risa's complaints were mostly targeted at one member and mostly regarding work (vs KitaRio being at bitch-eating-crackers status for half her groupmates, "Look at this bitch with her pigtails" etc lmao). Tbh, when Sakura kinda came for her during her dating scandal earlier this year, I suspected there must be bad blood there - Sakura was pretty defensive of Sayube during her dating scandal, yet quick to insinuate KitaRio lacks worth ethic.
I guess all our old theories about infighting and drama making the group more entertaining were wrong though, the group has still felt stagnant as ever for the past few years lol.
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My 50,000 ft view of this brings an old adage to mind: if you find yourself consistently surrounded by assholes, it's likely that you're the asshole. And honestly, it's the vibe I've gotten from KitaRio for most of her tenure. What UF chooses to do about it is up to them, and I don't really care one way or the other. It's just another reminder that work as an idol comes with a lot of the same bullshit as working anywhere else.

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Update 2 : Rio made a quick apology. The Snapchats that were leaked were from over 2 years ago. It's obvious she didn't think they'd get out, but friendships can change over the years and what you think may be innocent can turn on you if the friend you thought was a friend turns into an enemy. I mean, while I don't want to take her side, and I wont, I do feel bad for her. If anything I said about my coworkers got out and they saw it, I'd be mortified. But at the end of the day, it's up to UF to handle this. It's very similar to Ogata Risa, but at the same time it isn't. Ogata was still actively using the account, going against H!P rules at the time and slandering members in her group. Kitagawa's was a past transgression. I'm sure a lot changed in those 2 years and UF will need to take that into consideration I'm sure. They'll probably give her some options and she'll have to take one. I'd gather, remain in the group, but we aren't going to push you as a front girl until this all blows over because the fans of (other members) will be out for blood, leave the group and go into M-Line or whatever until your contract is up for renewal. So she can either remain in UF or go off on her own. But I doubt anyone would touch her given her history.
At the end of the day, Rio's gonna need to be eating some humble pie for awhile to get back into anyone's good graces and probably going to be laying low until after Ikuta's graduation.
At the end of the day, Rio's gonna need to be eating some humble pie for awhile to get back into anyone's good graces and probably going to be laying low until after Ikuta's graduation.

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I feel bad for Erina, since this is basically going to cast a cloud over her entire graduation and remaining months in the group.
I think the apology is kind of bad lmao just felt bland and recitative compared to Sakura's. But I do feel bad for her in the sense that this entire situation must feel humiliating. She's going to be in a very awkward position within the group for a long time.
I think the apology is kind of bad lmao just felt bland and recitative compared to Sakura's. But I do feel bad for her in the sense that this entire situation must feel humiliating. She's going to be in a very awkward position within the group for a long time.
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I don't think there are many fans who are happier about Erina finally graduating than me, but I agree. She doesn't deserve this shit.Farrah wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:56 am I feel bad for Erina, since this is basically going to cast a cloud over her entire graduation and remaining months in the group.
Yeah, it's pretty blasé. Like "management told me I have to say this, so I'm saying it. Ugh, so annoying..."Farrah wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:56 amI think the apology is kind of bad lmao just felt bland and recitative compared to Sakura's.

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Which incident was this?Farrah wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:51 amhalf the group practically banded together to systematically bully a 13 year old out of the line-up back then!
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^Fukuda Asuka I think.
Coming in late. I've mellowed down a lot on my initial thoughts because man, Rio really has at least one shitty friend if those private (!) snaps from 2 years ago were leaked just now. I mean, they're a private snapchat thing. That's like sending a whatsapp. I do think Rio sounds like an annoying coworker, but in my book it's still different from Risamaru - especially because that one involved a boyfriend scandal and accusing Kiki of faking her hernia which is a lot worse than just complaining about your coworkers.
That being said, I don't think she's coming back. Her popularity has hit rock bottom for some time (ofc not Akane or Yokoyan level, but for a front girl verrrry low) and wota have hated her at least since the boyfriend scandal (and hey they leaked another pic of her with that/a dude). Especially the Japanese fans are really angry with her.
On top of that, I've said it on discord I think: MM always acting like the well behaved princesses is really biting them in the ass now. Golden Era beef was entertaining because we knew they "hated" each other. Here it's a case of a crumbling facade, right before Ikuta is graduating and they need to start building the new era of the group. It's a bit like how Fukumura's reputation went downhill ever since the Kaede thing.
Coming in late. I've mellowed down a lot on my initial thoughts because man, Rio really has at least one shitty friend if those private (!) snaps from 2 years ago were leaked just now. I mean, they're a private snapchat thing. That's like sending a whatsapp. I do think Rio sounds like an annoying coworker, but in my book it's still different from Risamaru - especially because that one involved a boyfriend scandal and accusing Kiki of faking her hernia which is a lot worse than just complaining about your coworkers.
That being said, I don't think she's coming back. Her popularity has hit rock bottom for some time (ofc not Akane or Yokoyan level, but for a front girl verrrry low) and wota have hated her at least since the boyfriend scandal (and hey they leaked another pic of her with that/a dude). Especially the Japanese fans are really angry with her.
On top of that, I've said it on discord I think: MM always acting like the well behaved princesses is really biting them in the ass now. Golden Era beef was entertaining because we knew they "hated" each other. Here it's a case of a crumbling facade, right before Ikuta is graduating and they need to start building the new era of the group. It's a bit like how Fukumura's reputation went downhill ever since the Kaede thing.
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What was the Kaede thing? I’m so out of the loop.DonJuan wrote: Sun May 04, 2025 10:11 am It's a bit like how Fukumura's reputation went downhill ever since the Kaede thing.
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I believe it was that Kaede graduated because Fukumura was pretty awful to the 12th gen and Chisaki which resulted in both of them leaving before Fukumura did. But there’s no real basis for the rumor.

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Oh, there's just been a lot of talking ever since Kaede announced her graduation, as Shoujo said.
Basically TL;DR: "Blame Mizuki" is the new "Blame Tsunku" lol. But mostly they blame her for being boring/making the group boring and the weird strict senpai-kohai system and most of that started when Kaede announced her graduation.
- Kaede announces her graduation. Mizuki makes a silly comment "your graduation will be at Ehime (super small venue) right? haha" and Kaede's fans are pissed and take this as 9th-11th gen in general being super disrespectful towards their juniors.
- Loooots of fans jump to Mizuki's and Ikuta's instagram accounts and spam comments about how they clog the group for younger generations and tell them to graduate.
- Kaede blogs about how she hopes she has made an impact in the group in her 6 years and mentions how 9th gen plays and messes around, but they love MM. Mizuki blogs 3 days later that 6 years is a short time and that Kaede messes around during rehearsals. Wota point out that it's the exact same words that Kaede used, taking it as Mizuki can't take criticism.
- Built up a super strict senpai-kohai system (with the rest of 9th-11th gen) which was basically impossible to overcome. Kind of made obvious that basically no new member until 15th gen made it close to front row. Has been talked about with other H!P groups (how Anju is quite relaxed with their kohai) and OGs (Mizuki defended the group's strictness on TV in front of... Gomaki and Tsuji, like basically Golden Era's finest lol). (Also apparently Mizuki brushed off everything Goto said which made her look really bad.)
- Mizuki dropped that she was basically the one who greatly influenced concert lists, outfits and general style (previously decided by Tsunku, but for some time now H!P only had verrry young managers (like, some younger than the girls, right out of college) so it makes sense for the long-runners to decide). Some people blame Mizuki for the boring direction MM took.
- At some point she also said that she wasn't interested in idols outside of H!P, not doing idol trends and even thought TikTok was beneath MM. Some people said this was elitism and prevented MM from keeping up with the times.
- The Chisaki situation is used over and over how Mizuki didn't want new members to overshine their seniors, taking it as she was scared Country Girls' ace would take over (kinda silly in hindsight since the two seem to be the bestest of friends nowadays).
- 12th gen were basically left alone until 13th/14th gen came in and every time they tried to bring in new ideas they were cut short by their seniors.
- Mizuki is kind of infamous for teasing younger members, like Kaede as mentioned before, she made fun of KitaRio for being way more mature than her genmates and said Rairi was too shy (and Rairi herself said that she wasn't shy at all, just that Mizuki didn't try to get to know her lol).
- When she came back from her hiatus and went on TV where she mentioned fans telling her to graduate at some point and made it sound like they were ageist... which pissed off the fans of course.
Basically TL;DR: "Blame Mizuki" is the new "Blame Tsunku" lol. But mostly they blame her for being boring/making the group boring and the weird strict senpai-kohai system and most of that started when Kaede announced her graduation.
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The same hate is slowly being directed at Sakura. Some fans desperately want her to graduate quickly so Nonaka can take over as leader. I’m sure we might get one or two things this fall. Another Musume graduation be it Oda or Kitagawa, maybe both? And or another audition.

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I feel like for finally going a different way with MM a Sakura graduation would be benefitial, however, they still need her as a singer. I'm definitely expecting an audition soon though. It will be at least 3 graduations since Ako and Haruka joined (Mizuki, Ayumi, Ikuta), and they might fit in a 4th one as well, maybe even a 5th one, depending on how the KitaRio situation goes.
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Re the Kaede stuff: when I tweeted the link to my blog post about her grad announcement -- which was essentially "this is what you get when multiple members decided to never leave" -- 95% of the replies were basically telling me to fuck off, but the positive comments and likes were almost all from Japanese accounts. After reading the more recent replies here, that makes a lot more sense.

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Yup. In general there's basically two factions among MM fans:
But it was not only her. 12th gen have talked about how their first few years were hell, and they included all of 9th-11th gen. Sakura even apologized. KitaRio complaining about Ikuta not even greeting her fits right in.
Unfortunately with the kohai-fan faction growing bigger the complaints about Mizuki just continue to grow. It's also mostly against her and sometimes against Ikuta, because they were leader/sub-leader (and Ikuta being rather unpopular). Ayumi and Sakura were/are incredibly popular and respected for their abilities so they get away with more (but as we know, lots of people want to show Sakura the door too). It doesn't help that the scandals with Kaede and now KitaRio have made national idol news. But it certainly also doesn't help either to back talk the few MM idols that are known to the general public (Goto as mentioned, there was also a similar situation with other OGs iirc, Mikitty I think? Maybe Yaguchi?).
Also, seems like her debut single flops.
- 9th-10th gen fans, who of course want their faves to shine the most. Understandable, most of them have been around since Colorful Era started, and man these girls have gone through a lot. 15 years is quite the time, too. Especially among the international fans there's also a lot of women who basically grew up with the girls and therefore are especially attached to them. Also, suggesting they should graduate is always met with "so you think women are only good idols when they're young and cute?"
(really dumb considering the hottest Up Front idol right now is Airi). Among Japanese fans 9th-11th gen are in the right because they like the senpai system, they like that they put such focus on the history and legacy of MM (though that's debatable imo) and of course, a bunch of them were just really good idols. Mizuki is as decent as an idol can be, Sakura is outstanding. Ikuta not so much, but she's there. Ngl, there have been talks about Up Front cutting the stuff for Ikuta's graduation short (Budokan instead of YokoAri, for example) is a direct consequence of her never being that high in the rankings. These fans get really defensive, even more since Masaki and Ayumi graduated.
- Fans of the kohai, and yes, 12th gen still counts as kohai. Which is ridiculous, but actually one of the point these fans try to make. There is a bit of a shift between 12th-14th gen and 15th-17th gen fans but not by much since they're in the same boat (12th gen fans though are of course a bit sour that KitaRio and Mei have gotten closer to front row than Miki and Maria in 10 years). A lot of those were Kaede fans, but as Shoujo has mentioned, there's also a bunch of Miki fans who are pushing for her taking over. And while this is also a bit ridiculous KitaRio has kind of fallen from grace because she got comfortable with taking more or less Mizuki's spot.
But it was not only her. 12th gen have talked about how their first few years were hell, and they included all of 9th-11th gen. Sakura even apologized. KitaRio complaining about Ikuta not even greeting her fits right in.
Unfortunately with the kohai-fan faction growing bigger the complaints about Mizuki just continue to grow. It's also mostly against her and sometimes against Ikuta, because they were leader/sub-leader (and Ikuta being rather unpopular). Ayumi and Sakura were/are incredibly popular and respected for their abilities so they get away with more (but as we know, lots of people want to show Sakura the door too). It doesn't help that the scandals with Kaede and now KitaRio have made national idol news. But it certainly also doesn't help either to back talk the few MM idols that are known to the general public (Goto as mentioned, there was also a similar situation with other OGs iirc, Mikitty I think? Maybe Yaguchi?).
Also, seems like her debut single flops.
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I wonder how much Tsunku influenced Fuku being given so much sway over shit? This is the dude who said she should stay in the group into her 40s after all, lol! One could come up with some very spicy conspiracy theories if one wanted to...DonJuan wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 5:24 am
Mizuki is such a "die a hero or live long enough to become a villain" case. Remember when we were cheering for her being the second newbie after Riho to get a solo line here and there? But she was never good at talking, was surrounded by yes-sayers for years and at some point just took over everything (center, lead, direction) despite not appealing to the general idol public. (And some things really raise questions: Why did she become H!P sub-leader when Ayaka was perfectly capable of being leader on her own? Why was there never another sub-leader after her? And why is there not even an H!P leader at the moment? Why did nobody tell her to graduate but basically told Ayumi so afterwards? (they did, Ayumi confirmed it lol).)

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So Kudo Yumi and Endo Akari had a fanclub event today. Both girls are from Hokkaido.
Turns out that both girls are also related, they are second cousins. Their grandmothers are sisters. Endo knew, but Kudo did not. They showed a picture of the two of them together when they were really young at the FC event. So this is our second set of cousins after Yajima and Takeuchi. But first time they are in the same group. Just pure coincidence they ended up in the same group.
Turns out that both girls are also related, they are second cousins. Their grandmothers are sisters. Endo knew, but Kudo did not. They showed a picture of the two of them together when they were really young at the FC event. So this is our second set of cousins after Yajima and Takeuchi. But first time they are in the same group. Just pure coincidence they ended up in the same group.

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The 2shot of Endo and Kudo they showed at the FC event and a more in-depth blog post of their relationship.

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^Now that's funny! Also I understand Yume, Akari looked very different back then while Yume barely changed lol.
Random youtube find. The avengers might be gone, but new Juice is also not bad.
(This channel has a lof of great shorts.)
Random youtube find. The avengers might be gone, but new Juice is also not bad.
(This channel has a lof of great shorts.)
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Ruru with Japanese sister duo Mebius, singing "8 Tsuki no sora," which I assume is a Mebius song. Who knows, maybe it's a cover. Anyway, it's very nice.

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I know it was posted in the Discord, but it should be here, too. Juice=Juice live of "Bloody Bullet"
As DJ said, it's very Juice. Is this the first footage of J=J with a fully operational Niina? She's a little stiff, like she's still thinking more than performing, but sounds just fine and fits right in. I kind of dig that she's keeping the eyeglasses as part of her on-stage look. I don't think H!P has had a glasses-girl since Megumi Murata, have they? Anyway, Juice is still awesome, and they sure have a lot higher-end younger talent.
As DJ said, it's very Juice. Is this the first footage of J=J with a fully operational Niina? She's a little stiff, like she's still thinking more than performing, but sounds just fine and fits right in. I kind of dig that she's keeping the eyeglasses as part of her on-stage look. I don't think H!P has had a glasses-girl since Megumi Murata, have they? Anyway, Juice is still awesome, and they sure have a lot higher-end younger talent.

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J=J newbs performing the Juice discography. The kids are Juice is alright.
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I really love this group right now, keeping H!P glued to my hip while my Musume group crumbles into dirt.
Also, Juice=Juice are having such a moment right now and whoever is in charge of their social media has been so on top of keeping the momentum going.
Also, Juice=Juice are having such a moment right now and whoever is in charge of their social media has been so on top of keeping the momentum going.

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Juice and Anju are both riding a peak right now, and I'd love it if both could make it through 2026 without any important graduations. Ruru and Rei are inching perilously close to ageing out of H!P, but 26 is not unheard of for H!P idols anymore, and J=J is gonna drop way off when they leave. Just one more year of the good stuff would be great.

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So I've noticed it for awhile now but no one really talks about it.
Up-Front Links and for the most part, A LOT of Facebook pages have these really descript posts. It's clearly AI typing it all up. And I'm half convinced the UP-FRONT Links page uses it as well. Unless of course it's one person with a passion for essays typing out a full run down of concerts. I'm not upset about it they don't seem to do the same for the Japanese fans so it's sort of a treat only international fans will get. It's nice to have a good read now and then and you get a little background info while you're reading them. It's something only found on Facebook so if you don't have one, you wont get these epic long posts.
ANGERME's Latest Budokan Performance.
Juice=Juice's Latest Budokan Performance.
Up-Front Links and for the most part, A LOT of Facebook pages have these really descript posts. It's clearly AI typing it all up. And I'm half convinced the UP-FRONT Links page uses it as well. Unless of course it's one person with a passion for essays typing out a full run down of concerts. I'm not upset about it they don't seem to do the same for the Japanese fans so it's sort of a treat only international fans will get. It's nice to have a good read now and then and you get a little background info while you're reading them. It's something only found on Facebook so if you don't have one, you wont get these epic long posts.
ANGERME's Latest Budokan Performance.
Juice=Juice's Latest Budokan Performance.

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Ha ha, those really are in-depth! That's kinda crazy.

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Sigh. I miss Aika writing these posts.
