Morning Musume '16 Shinseiki Auditions
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Kaga Kaede (17, Tokyo)
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OH MY GOSH I REALLY THOUGHT SHE WAS NEVER GONNA DEBUT I'M SO FREAKING HAPPY I COULD CRY KAEDDYYYYYYYYYY
Don't even care about the other girl yet, I'm still celebrating this!
Guess I gotta choose a new favorite Kenshuusei, which I guess is Ruru. Still holding out for a solo career for her (please UFP you gave me this gift of Kaedy I know you can do this for me too please)
Kaga Kaede (17, Tokyo)
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OH MY GOSH I REALLY THOUGHT SHE WAS NEVER GONNA DEBUT I'M SO FREAKING HAPPY I COULD CRY KAEDDYYYYYYYYYY
Don't even care about the other girl yet, I'm still celebrating this!
Guess I gotta choose a new favorite Kenshuusei, which I guess is Ruru. Still holding out for a solo career for her (please UFP you gave me this gift of Kaedy I know you can do this for me too please)
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Here's where I think a bit of the "sore loser" aspect comes in for Kaga... This is the 2014 recital. While Kaga got recognition from the dance coach as a member to be on the look out for next year (a pretty awesome head nod to her, considering they don't always do this at the recital.) Danbara Ruru won the best performer award, and Kaga is seen head down, crying literally the entire time Danbara is accepting her trophy.
Now, this wouldn't matter to me if it were Danbara or Yokogawa accepting the award, this is the "manners" thing Anderei had mentioned. And not to say she couldn't be sad--numerous girls were crying, and you can see it. But they pulled themselves together. And she was in the middle, she had to have known she was in the shot. Meanwhile...
This is not to be mean, just to show others what those of us who aren't her biggest fans see. I still think she's talented and I'm happy for her; her dream came true. How can you hate someone for that?
Now, this wouldn't matter to me if it were Danbara or Yokogawa accepting the award, this is the "manners" thing Anderei had mentioned. And not to say she couldn't be sad--numerous girls were crying, and you can see it. But they pulled themselves together. And she was in the middle, she had to have known she was in the shot. Meanwhile...
This is not to be mean, just to show others what those of us who aren't her biggest fans see. I still think she's talented and I'm happy for her; her dream came true. How can you hate someone for that?
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I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think I like Reina, she's cute. But Kaede I've never really been a big fan of.. maybe she'll change that when we get another single.
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Alright, slept for some hours and now I'm not as salty anymore.
Still not too happy about Kaede, there were like 10 KSS that I would've chosen over her, but she has her good sites. She's an ok singer and I like her looks. I think she's also a good dancer? (Though I don't know shit about dancing and in general I don't care either.) Having her added was better than just adding a pretty face.
My complaints about her are that she's that, an okay singer. Since I also consider Mizuki an okay singer and unfortunately at that point she's the second best singer in the group I would've loved to have a better singer than Kaede. Maybe Reina will blow me away, but Takase Kurumi and Danbara Ruru would've been two of those that I'd preferred over Kaede. Then, of course, her already mentioned attitude. I don't think she's that bad, but we already have someone in the group that reacts badly to criticism and I'm really tired of her antics (talking about Masaki).
In the end I'm also okay with two "older" girls being chosen (yeah Reina is just a bit older than Akane). Better than having Momohime who looks like she's 8.
Still not too happy about Kaede, there were like 10 KSS that I would've chosen over her, but she has her good sites. She's an ok singer and I like her looks. I think she's also a good dancer? (Though I don't know shit about dancing and in general I don't care either.) Having her added was better than just adding a pretty face.
My complaints about her are that she's that, an okay singer. Since I also consider Mizuki an okay singer and unfortunately at that point she's the second best singer in the group I would've loved to have a better singer than Kaede. Maybe Reina will blow me away, but Takase Kurumi and Danbara Ruru would've been two of those that I'd preferred over Kaede. Then, of course, her already mentioned attitude. I don't think she's that bad, but we already have someone in the group that reacts badly to criticism and I'm really tired of her antics (talking about Masaki).
In the end I'm also okay with two "older" girls being chosen (yeah Reina is just a bit older than Akane). Better than having Momohime who looks like she's 8.
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Pretty much every kenshuusei can dance, its not much of a selling point these days.
They waited too long to debut Kaede. A few years ago the hype train would have been much bigger since she was among the best they had to offer. Apparently she got a big cheer from the crowd, though. And her dad is the lead singer of a heavy metal band so maybe she'll learn a little showmanship from him. I stand by my earlier comment that she's not going to be a standout personality to those complaining the group is bland. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what UFP does with them.
I haven't heard anything about Reina's singing. People were saying one of the other new ones (Nishida I believe) is almost as good as Ruru.
If Reina is from the first 13th gen audition this feels like a massive waste of time. Is she really any more qualified now than she was just a few months ago?
I also have a feeling we won't be waiting long for the next auditions.
They waited too long to debut Kaede. A few years ago the hype train would have been much bigger since she was among the best they had to offer. Apparently she got a big cheer from the crowd, though. And her dad is the lead singer of a heavy metal band so maybe she'll learn a little showmanship from him. I stand by my earlier comment that she's not going to be a standout personality to those complaining the group is bland. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what UFP does with them.
I haven't heard anything about Reina's singing. People were saying one of the other new ones (Nishida I believe) is almost as good as Ruru.
If Reina is from the first 13th gen audition this feels like a massive waste of time. Is she really any more qualified now than she was just a few months ago?
I also have a feeling we won't be waiting long for the next auditions.
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Seriously? Can't win! First people complain, THEY ARE TOO YOUNG! Now, too old?! I'm glad they went older!
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PREACH IT SISTER!
And yeah I fell in love with Kaede as soon as I saw Lilium so I am already satisfied.
Seriously? Can't win! First people complain, THEY ARE TOO YOUNG! Now, too old?! I'm glad they went older!
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PREACH IT SISTER!
And yeah I fell in love with Kaede as soon as I saw Lilium so I am already satisfied.
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I don't know either of these girls, but am I hearing that Kaede could be the new Nakazawa? MM needs another Nakazawa.
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Not too happy about Kaede, don't like her attitude. But well, at least she's not tone deaf.
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Feeling the same, being, among others, a loud type of sore loser is a bad point with me.
And to add to what others said, one of my friends told me Ayano said she started to feel bad in Kenshuusei roughly when Kaga arrived, because of how unrespectful and mean Kaga was (with everyone). Also, from Green Room footages, her behavior towards other Kenshuusei could be questionnable at times.
But we may never know the truth so I'll just give her the benefit of the doubt for now, knowing that bullying in Japan is quite frequent and not always (sweet euphemism) fought.
Not too happy about Kaede, don't like her attitude. But well, at least she's not tone deaf.
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Feeling the same, being, among others, a loud type of sore loser is a bad point with me.
And to add to what others said, one of my friends told me Ayano said she started to feel bad in Kenshuusei roughly when Kaga arrived, because of how unrespectful and mean Kaga was (with everyone). Also, from Green Room footages, her behavior towards other Kenshuusei could be questionnable at times.
But we may never know the truth so I'll just give her the benefit of the doubt for now, knowing that bullying in Japan is quite frequent and not always (sweet euphemism) fought.
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Yeah, I don't know anything about that. I just know about what I've spoken of in other posts.
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Didn't Tsunku post comments about each of the kenshuusei after one of the recitals and mention something along the lines of her being a sore loser?
EDIT: Rewatching those digests, 2014 is mostly debutted girls now. Crazy how bad some of the Kobushi Factory girls sounded Also, Nanami and Manaka :(
I think Kaga is a good addition. They could have done way worse. I wish Takase made it, but here's hoping some of the older girls get their debut too.
EDIT: Rewatching those digests, 2014 is mostly debutted girls now. Crazy how bad some of the Kobushi Factory girls sounded Also, Nanami and Manaka :(
I think Kaga is a good addition. They could have done way worse. I wish Takase made it, but here's hoping some of the older girls get their debut too.
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I'm certain they are holding back Girls we thought would debut for a group once C-yet leaves the building and probably to replace Momoko in Country Girls.
You put too many top picks in a group like Morning Musume and you might end up with another Tsubaki when they want a S/mileage or Kobushi.
You put too many top picks in a group like Morning Musume and you might end up with another Tsubaki when they want a S/mileage or Kobushi.
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I haven't heard anything about Reina's singing. People were saying one of the other new ones (Nishida I believe) is almost as good as Ruru.
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It's Yamazaki Yuhane they were talking about, some people found clips of her singing at karaoke with a friend. I think she's up there with Ruru, but let's be honest, Ruru is just painfully average as an actual singer. She's stellar compared to the girls around her, but not amazing.
Anyway, my thoughts...
I was happily shocked Kaede got in. Very surprising turn of events. I will definitely keep my eye on her.
Reina didn't impress me at first but I've been reading and looking on her a bit more and she's cute, so I don't mind her thus far. I just hope her musical interests don't make her the new Goddess Of Music And Everything She Needs To Be MM's New Producer Right Now like Masaki is.
I haven't heard anything about Reina's singing. People were saying one of the other new ones (Nishida I believe) is almost as good as Ruru.
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It's Yamazaki Yuhane they were talking about, some people found clips of her singing at karaoke with a friend. I think she's up there with Ruru, but let's be honest, Ruru is just painfully average as an actual singer. She's stellar compared to the girls around her, but not amazing.
Anyway, my thoughts...
I was happily shocked Kaede got in. Very surprising turn of events. I will definitely keep my eye on her.
Reina didn't impress me at first but I've been reading and looking on her a bit more and she's cute, so I don't mind her thus far. I just hope her musical interests don't make her the new Goddess Of Music And Everything She Needs To Be MM's New Producer Right Now like Masaki is.
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MM could use some "painfully average" singers to bring the level of talent up a few notches.
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MM could also use some personality instead of talented cardbord cutouts but you don't see me complaining. They're a dance oriented group now, asking for vocalists when you've always been complaining about how the singing skill goes during with hard choreography is a bit contradictory, considering Ruru is solely a vocal talent. If she can't manage to dance well and have stamina, her vocals will go down the drain, and then where is that talent, huh?
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Idk, if they were dance-focused they'd have better dances. And I mean, they still have the two Harunas.
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I'm certain they are holding back Girls we thought would debut for a group once C-yet leaves the building [...]
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I hope not. They couldn't even manage all the groups this year. I mean when °C-ute's gone they do have a lot of free budget again, but I'd prefer they'd spend it on the excisting groups.
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I'm certain they are holding back Girls we thought would debut for a group once C-yet leaves the building [...]
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I hope not. They couldn't even manage all the groups this year. I mean when °C-ute's gone they do have a lot of free budget again, but I'd prefer they'd spend it on the excisting groups.
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Idk, if they were dance-focused they'd have better dances. And I mean, they still have the two Harunas.
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The two Harunas are definitely personality picks, whether anyone agrees or not. (I do.)
As for the dances themselves, that's really just subjective. Some probably find them AWESOME and EPIC!!!! Others, not. They are still officially stated as having a focus on formation dancing, nonetheless. The quality of said dances factors not.
Idk, if they were dance-focused they'd have better dances. And I mean, they still have the two Harunas.
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The two Harunas are definitely personality picks, whether anyone agrees or not. (I do.)
As for the dances themselves, that's really just subjective. Some probably find them AWESOME and EPIC!!!! Others, not. They are still officially stated as having a focus on formation dancing, nonetheless. The quality of said dances factors not.
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I'm certain they are holding back Girls we thought would debut for a group once C-yet leaves the building and probably to replace Momoko in Country Girls.
You put too many top picks in a group like Morning Musume and you might end up with another Tsubaki when they want a S/mileage or Kobushi.
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Tsubaki has a lot of popular kenshuusei in it. I think that was definitely a group that was debuted to keep those girls from leaving. I also don't see any of the top picks around here going to CG when the majority of their lineup is clearly meant to be young and cute.
Plus, it won't matter if they're debuting another group when C-ute leaves (because that group realistically wouldn't debut or possibly even be announced until 2018) if none of the older girls stick around. Especially since the majority of them will be too old to qualify for the next time auditions roll around. The best these older girls can probably hope for is to make it into UUG's second gen, which is a pretty big step down from being an actual H!P group.
I still think that they're going to stick with what they have. We can talk all we want about how they said both Factories are supposed to follow in Berryz' footsteps but let's be real, Berryz didn't need two successors.
I'm certain they are holding back Girls we thought would debut for a group once C-yet leaves the building and probably to replace Momoko in Country Girls.
You put too many top picks in a group like Morning Musume and you might end up with another Tsubaki when they want a S/mileage or Kobushi.
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Tsubaki has a lot of popular kenshuusei in it. I think that was definitely a group that was debuted to keep those girls from leaving. I also don't see any of the top picks around here going to CG when the majority of their lineup is clearly meant to be young and cute.
Plus, it won't matter if they're debuting another group when C-ute leaves (because that group realistically wouldn't debut or possibly even be announced until 2018) if none of the older girls stick around. Especially since the majority of them will be too old to qualify for the next time auditions roll around. The best these older girls can probably hope for is to make it into UUG's second gen, which is a pretty big step down from being an actual H!P group.
I still think that they're going to stick with what they have. We can talk all we want about how they said both Factories are supposed to follow in Berryz' footsteps but let's be real, Berryz didn't need two successors.
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Idk, if they were dance-focused they'd have better dances. And I mean, they still have the two Harunas.
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The two Harunas are definitely personality picks, whether anyone agrees or not. (I do.)
As for the dances themselves, that's really just subjective. Some probably find them AWESOME and EPIC!!!! Others, not. They are still officially stated as having a focus on formation dancing, nonetheless. The quality of said dances factors not.
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Good point, as they can't sing either. And that's coming from me, someone who likes both of them.
It's probably subjective, but even then they didn't add the best dancers to MM. Manaka, Mao... MM has always been a clusterfuck (and that's why we love it).
^ In all honesty, Berryz didn't need a single successor, because they were burned out towards the end. Kobushi can hold its own, and Tsubaki doesn't strike me as Berryz-like at all. I think it would've been better to just debut them without the whole "Berryz spirit" stuff because it's kinda weird.
And yeah, I think that the older KSS are going to leave next year. Ichioka, Inoue, Horie, maybe Takase... basically everyone that's born in the 90ies. It was their last chance to get into MM, and it's unlikely that the other groups take anyone around that age either. A new group, maybe. I mean Yuka also was pretty old when she joined. But I doubt that they'll take more than one or two of the older members.
That being said, I'm actually ok with the 13th gen. I like it more than 12th gen when they were announced. I didn't really want personality because they added Ogata and Maria last time (and 10th gen is also full personality), and Kaede is ok.
Just cringing about everyone who goes on about "MM doesn't need good singers" and mentions Ayumi and Masaki as good singers... (on H!O, of course.)
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Idk, if they were dance-focused they'd have better dances. And I mean, they still have the two Harunas.
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The two Harunas are definitely personality picks, whether anyone agrees or not. (I do.)
As for the dances themselves, that's really just subjective. Some probably find them AWESOME and EPIC!!!! Others, not. They are still officially stated as having a focus on formation dancing, nonetheless. The quality of said dances factors not.
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Good point, as they can't sing either. And that's coming from me, someone who likes both of them.
It's probably subjective, but even then they didn't add the best dancers to MM. Manaka, Mao... MM has always been a clusterfuck (and that's why we love it).
^ In all honesty, Berryz didn't need a single successor, because they were burned out towards the end. Kobushi can hold its own, and Tsubaki doesn't strike me as Berryz-like at all. I think it would've been better to just debut them without the whole "Berryz spirit" stuff because it's kinda weird.
And yeah, I think that the older KSS are going to leave next year. Ichioka, Inoue, Horie, maybe Takase... basically everyone that's born in the 90ies. It was their last chance to get into MM, and it's unlikely that the other groups take anyone around that age either. A new group, maybe. I mean Yuka also was pretty old when she joined. But I doubt that they'll take more than one or two of the older members.
That being said, I'm actually ok with the 13th gen. I like it more than 12th gen when they were announced. I didn't really want personality because they added Ogata and Maria last time (and 10th gen is also full personality), and Kaede is ok.
Just cringing about everyone who goes on about "MM doesn't need good singers" and mentions Ayumi and Masaki as good singers... (on H!O, of course.)
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MM could also use some personality instead of talented cardbord cutouts but you don't see me complaining. They're a dance oriented group now, asking for vocalists when you've always been complaining about how the singing skill goes during with hard choreography is a bit contradictory, considering Ruru is solely a vocal talent. If she can't manage to dance well and have stamina, her vocals will go down the drain, and then where is that talent, huh?
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MM sells audio CDs as their primary product -- and no one buys a single for the dank choreo -- so singing talent ought to be a primary consideration for most of the girls. Live shows are completely different from recordings, and fans accept that the singing will suffer due to the intense choreography. No one is calling for the next Ayaya to be added to MM, but if they can stock ANGERME to a level that most of us "MOAR BETTER SINGERS" crowd are cool with, why not MM? If we can accept that even strong-singing idol groups will contain a couple of weak singers because they bring something else to the group, why shouldn't we also accept the idea that there's a place for a strong vocal-only type like Ruru in a supposedly "dance oriented" idol group?
Lastly, I really don't care what other fans choose to complain or not complain about. Not quite sure why you do.
MM could also use some personality instead of talented cardbord cutouts but you don't see me complaining. They're a dance oriented group now, asking for vocalists when you've always been complaining about how the singing skill goes during with hard choreography is a bit contradictory, considering Ruru is solely a vocal talent. If she can't manage to dance well and have stamina, her vocals will go down the drain, and then where is that talent, huh?
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MM sells audio CDs as their primary product -- and no one buys a single for the dank choreo -- so singing talent ought to be a primary consideration for most of the girls. Live shows are completely different from recordings, and fans accept that the singing will suffer due to the intense choreography. No one is calling for the next Ayaya to be added to MM, but if they can stock ANGERME to a level that most of us "MOAR BETTER SINGERS" crowd are cool with, why not MM? If we can accept that even strong-singing idol groups will contain a couple of weak singers because they bring something else to the group, why shouldn't we also accept the idea that there's a place for a strong vocal-only type like Ruru in a supposedly "dance oriented" idol group?
Lastly, I really don't care what other fans choose to complain or not complain about. Not quite sure why you do.
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^^
Unless Reina turns out to be complete garbage they're already way ahead of 12th gen in terms of talent.
I agree that no one needs successors but this company is living in the past. But I think part of it was also just to make Captain feel important. None of the other Berryz girls seem to care one bit.
Unless Reina turns out to be complete garbage they're already way ahead of 12th gen in terms of talent.
I agree that no one needs successors but this company is living in the past. But I think part of it was also just to make Captain feel important. None of the other Berryz girls seem to care one bit.
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MM could also use some personality instead of talented cardbord cutouts but you don't see me complaining. They're a dance oriented group now, asking for vocalists when you've always been complaining about how the singing skill goes during with hard choreography is a bit contradictory, considering Ruru is solely a vocal talent. If she can't manage to dance well and have stamina, her vocals will go down the drain, and then where is that talent, huh?
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MM sells audio CDs as their primary product -- and no one buys a single for the dank choreo -- so singing talent ought to be a primary consideration for most of the girls.
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I understand your point here, but you have remember that these are idols. They sell audio CDs because it's what idols do, but it's not their purpose. The majority of fans don't buy the CDs for the music, or even the CD itself. They buy it to support them, because their favorite member/group put out the CD, etc. As a person who used to buy every Single even though I didn't care about the songs, I speak from experience. I bought every. Single. MM. CD. All of them. And I didn't even like or know most of the songs (At the time).
I understand that you would prefer it if they took an artist turn, but idols are idols and never will be true artists who care about the music. I don't mean the girls themselves, but I mean idols as a marketing standpoint.
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MM could also use some personality instead of talented cardbord cutouts but you don't see me complaining. They're a dance oriented group now, asking for vocalists when you've always been complaining about how the singing skill goes during with hard choreography is a bit contradictory, considering Ruru is solely a vocal talent. If she can't manage to dance well and have stamina, her vocals will go down the drain, and then where is that talent, huh?
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MM sells audio CDs as their primary product -- and no one buys a single for the dank choreo -- so singing talent ought to be a primary consideration for most of the girls.
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I understand your point here, but you have remember that these are idols. They sell audio CDs because it's what idols do, but it's not their purpose. The majority of fans don't buy the CDs for the music, or even the CD itself. They buy it to support them, because their favorite member/group put out the CD, etc. As a person who used to buy every Single even though I didn't care about the songs, I speak from experience. I bought every. Single. MM. CD. All of them. And I didn't even like or know most of the songs (At the time).
I understand that you would prefer it if they took an artist turn, but idols are idols and never will be true artists who care about the music. I don't mean the girls themselves, but I mean idols as a marketing standpoint.
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MM could also use some personality instead of talented cardbord cutouts but you don't see me complaining. They're a dance oriented group now, asking for vocalists when you've always been complaining about how the singing skill goes during with hard choreography is a bit contradictory, considering Ruru is solely a vocal talent. If she can't manage to dance well and have stamina, her vocals will go down the drain, and then where is that talent, huh?
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MM sells audio CDs as their primary product -- and no one buys a single for the dank choreo -- so singing talent ought to be a primary consideration for most of the girls. Live shows are completely different from recordings, and fans accept that the singing will suffer due to the intense choreography. No one is calling for the next Ayaya to be added to MM, but if they can stock ANGERME to a level that most of us "MOAR BETTER SINGERS" crowd are cool with, why not MM? If we can accept that even strong-singing idol groups will contain a couple of weak singers because they bring something else to the group, why shouldn't we also accept the idea that there's a place for a strong vocal-only type like Ruru in a supposedly "dance oriented" idol group?
Lastly, I really don't care what other fans choose to complain or not complain about. Not quite sure why you do.
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Hmm, last I knew, MM sold audio CDs as another outlet for money because they're idols, which.... is what idols do. Have you still not gotten the memo that MM is not the MM of old, which was an actual bonafide girl group? Music is just another way for them to make money now. If they actually GAVE a shit about talent, do you think Ruru would've been shafted? Of course not.
You say you're not calling for the next Ayaya, but all you have been going on about is singing and singing. That's Ayaya's thing. Ruru is the next best thing to Ayaya we have at this point.
Show me proof that UFP cares about MM being a singing group nowadays, please. I'm sure that Ikuta Erina, Iikubo Haruna, Ishida Ayumi, Ogata Haruna, Makino Maria and yes I'll even throw my Akane under the bus, would LOVE to have a chat with you about how they're all strong singers and the fans love their singing prowess.
The reason ANGERME got the better singers is because they are actively trying to make them a group with powerhouse songs and vocals. Probably even dances, I have no idea, never cared about it.
That's THEIR focus. That is not MM's focus. Each group is not founded on "let's make a great singing group", do you understand that or are you still living in 2001 when H!P had a focus on talent?
Am I defending this at all? Hell no, talent's great. But we are in a new generation. You were around for the "We are the new MM, the old one is in the past, love us for being this new MM" thing, right? Guess what. This is that new MM.
MM is a dance group focus now. Unless the personalities are so great to the people who select them (W Haruna, Maria, etc), or they seem like they have ambition or potential (Haga), or they're just plain visually pretty or popular, the only talent truly being considered is now dancing. And that's if talent is even being considered.
Oda was the last to join when singing was a consideration. Her audition was even called the Fresh Faced Singer audition. None has been called that since, they're all ~future girls~ and shit, they're focused on bringing in girls to fit the new image MM has.
And lastly, it's because I have the right to share my own opinion on others' opinions. Just like you did. Don't act like you're on some high horse when you're doing the exact same thing I am.
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MM could also use some personality instead of talented cardbord cutouts but you don't see me complaining. They're a dance oriented group now, asking for vocalists when you've always been complaining about how the singing skill goes during with hard choreography is a bit contradictory, considering Ruru is solely a vocal talent. If she can't manage to dance well and have stamina, her vocals will go down the drain, and then where is that talent, huh?
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MM sells audio CDs as their primary product -- and no one buys a single for the dank choreo -- so singing talent ought to be a primary consideration for most of the girls. Live shows are completely different from recordings, and fans accept that the singing will suffer due to the intense choreography. No one is calling for the next Ayaya to be added to MM, but if they can stock ANGERME to a level that most of us "MOAR BETTER SINGERS" crowd are cool with, why not MM? If we can accept that even strong-singing idol groups will contain a couple of weak singers because they bring something else to the group, why shouldn't we also accept the idea that there's a place for a strong vocal-only type like Ruru in a supposedly "dance oriented" idol group?
Lastly, I really don't care what other fans choose to complain or not complain about. Not quite sure why you do.
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Hmm, last I knew, MM sold audio CDs as another outlet for money because they're idols, which.... is what idols do. Have you still not gotten the memo that MM is not the MM of old, which was an actual bonafide girl group? Music is just another way for them to make money now. If they actually GAVE a shit about talent, do you think Ruru would've been shafted? Of course not.
You say you're not calling for the next Ayaya, but all you have been going on about is singing and singing. That's Ayaya's thing. Ruru is the next best thing to Ayaya we have at this point.
Show me proof that UFP cares about MM being a singing group nowadays, please. I'm sure that Ikuta Erina, Iikubo Haruna, Ishida Ayumi, Ogata Haruna, Makino Maria and yes I'll even throw my Akane under the bus, would LOVE to have a chat with you about how they're all strong singers and the fans love their singing prowess.
The reason ANGERME got the better singers is because they are actively trying to make them a group with powerhouse songs and vocals. Probably even dances, I have no idea, never cared about it.
That's THEIR focus. That is not MM's focus. Each group is not founded on "let's make a great singing group", do you understand that or are you still living in 2001 when H!P had a focus on talent?
Am I defending this at all? Hell no, talent's great. But we are in a new generation. You were around for the "We are the new MM, the old one is in the past, love us for being this new MM" thing, right? Guess what. This is that new MM.
MM is a dance group focus now. Unless the personalities are so great to the people who select them (W Haruna, Maria, etc), or they seem like they have ambition or potential (Haga), or they're just plain visually pretty or popular, the only talent truly being considered is now dancing. And that's if talent is even being considered.
Oda was the last to join when singing was a consideration. Her audition was even called the Fresh Faced Singer audition. None has been called that since, they're all ~future girls~ and shit, they're focused on bringing in girls to fit the new image MM has.
And lastly, it's because I have the right to share my own opinion on others' opinions. Just like you did. Don't act like you're on some high horse when you're doing the exact same thing I am.
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All I have to say regarding this is that talent and idol don't have to be mutually exclusive terms, traditionally have NEVER been mutually exclusive terms, and I'm not sure why people are saying they should be. Idols used to be much more competent singers than they have been in recent years - this whole "Idols are supposed to be tone deaf and useless!" thing is a relatively new attitude if you look at the talent level in 70's, 80's, 90's idols. There is usually at least one very good singer with two or three "pretty good" singers to back them up.
No one in this entire company can sing particularly well, it's not like we're saying they need to add a Mariah Carey to the stables lmao! Just add someone who is actually pleasant to listen to, someone who isn't tone deaf or someone who doesn't shout like a foghorn when they are on pitch. It's not that much to ask for, and the "Dancing will ruin their singing anyway!" argument doesn't really make any sense to me when a) I would barely call the choreography of Japanese idol groups "dancing" and b) a competent singer will still be able sound competent, if breathy, while dancing.
Idols bring in fans with three things - the music, their looks, and their personalities. Some of us are allowed to be here for the former, especially when there's a spectacular lack of the latter (personality) in modern day H!P. I have no place in my heart for boring girls who sound like shit, I just don't LOL if they're going to add shitty singers or mediocre singers they need to add ones that have personality because that's all the line-up needs right now - talent or personality. We have plenty of bland, untalented pretty girls.
No one in this entire company can sing particularly well, it's not like we're saying they need to add a Mariah Carey to the stables lmao! Just add someone who is actually pleasant to listen to, someone who isn't tone deaf or someone who doesn't shout like a foghorn when they are on pitch. It's not that much to ask for, and the "Dancing will ruin their singing anyway!" argument doesn't really make any sense to me when a) I would barely call the choreography of Japanese idol groups "dancing" and b) a competent singer will still be able sound competent, if breathy, while dancing.
Idols bring in fans with three things - the music, their looks, and their personalities. Some of us are allowed to be here for the former, especially when there's a spectacular lack of the latter (personality) in modern day H!P. I have no place in my heart for boring girls who sound like shit, I just don't LOL if they're going to add shitty singers or mediocre singers they need to add ones that have personality because that's all the line-up needs right now - talent or personality. We have plenty of bland, untalented pretty girls.
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Re: Morning Musume '16 Shinseiki Auditions
^^ Angerme kind of got lucky because Dawa and 2nd gen sucked at debut. 2/3 of 3ki weren't exactly talent picks either. Up Front has zero excuses for passing up Moe for 12th gen though. She would have been well received by wota even without the voice.
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Well.. I'm excited.
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Remove to music from the mix, and how many people continue to follow idol groups?
Jpope On Jpop! blog
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The people who are fans of idols and here for them.
As a disclaimer, I am not a fan of idols (I hate idols, actually), or idol music (eugh). I only like and am here for H!P.
As a disclaimer, I am not a fan of idols (I hate idols, actually), or idol music (eugh). I only like and am here for H!P.
Re: Morning Musume '16 Shinseiki Auditions
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And lastly, it's because I have the right to share my own opinion on others' opinions. Just like you did. Don't act like you're on some high horse when you're doing the exact same thing I am.
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Dude, I was defending my position which was in no way attacking anyone else's opinion, and yet you felt the need to attack anyway.
And lastly, it's because I have the right to share my own opinion on others' opinions. Just like you did. Don't act like you're on some high horse when you're doing the exact same thing I am.
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Dude, I was defending my position which was in no way attacking anyone else's opinion, and yet you felt the need to attack anyway.
Jpope On Jpop! blog
Re: Morning Musume '16 Shinseiki Auditions
After sleeping about 12 hours, I'm less upset about Ruru not getting in. I'm still disappointed but I'll give Reina a chance. I'm still ecstatic about Kaede making it, especially since it was something I'd given up on happening. I wonder what'll happen with the other girls who are older now though but I'm more glad it isn't a lolicon gen.
I'm glad that they added at least one okay singer. To all the people bitching about adding more personality, they have at least one member per generation be there for the personality (Harunas, Masaki, Erina) and yet they still do nothing with them in terms of interesting. Having some better singers to take the strain off is a good thing. And them not having personality (or at least visible personality) isn't really going to change things.
I'm glad that they added at least one okay singer. To all the people bitching about adding more personality, they have at least one member per generation be there for the personality (Harunas, Masaki, Erina) and yet they still do nothing with them in terms of interesting. Having some better singers to take the strain off is a good thing. And them not having personality (or at least visible personality) isn't really going to change things.
Formerly Mizura
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I mean, I would rather have good singers than members with personality but ideally if they can't sing then they should at least be entertaining LOL. Until 8th gen, that was pretty much the modus operandi - almost every shitty singer in the group became known for her variety skills or personality (Nono, Rika, Sayu, even Koharu even though I could not stand her). None of the recent useless additions have measured up to any of those girls at all imo.
Moreover, it's a shame that even girls who seemingly have personality are managing to have every drop of it sucked out of them shortly after joining the group. I hate this honor student image MM seems to have taken on - if you're going to be boring, be talented and if you're not going to be talented, you better not be boring! Masaki's addition to the group gave me so much hope but she has been effectively silenced at this point - and whether you like her or not, that wouldn't have happened back in the day so it's just a damn shame.
Look at Yaguchi, someone who was known for being an uncouth loudmouth but turned that into a lovable legendary character. Masaki never even had the chance to shape those sort of undesirable qualities into something endearing because she was banned from speaking during appearances shortly after joining the group! And we've all seen how boring Ogata has become... so the cycle just repeats. Boring, bland, untalented, boring, bland, untalented, over and over and over and every time you see a hint of light at the end of the tunnel, they make sure to snuff it out LOL very frustrating!
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Remove to music from the mix, and how many people continue to follow idol groups?
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Moreover, it's a shame that even girls who seemingly have personality are managing to have every drop of it sucked out of them shortly after joining the group. I hate this honor student image MM seems to have taken on - if you're going to be boring, be talented and if you're not going to be talented, you better not be boring! Masaki's addition to the group gave me so much hope but she has been effectively silenced at this point - and whether you like her or not, that wouldn't have happened back in the day so it's just a damn shame.
Look at Yaguchi, someone who was known for being an uncouth loudmouth but turned that into a lovable legendary character. Masaki never even had the chance to shape those sort of undesirable qualities into something endearing because she was banned from speaking during appearances shortly after joining the group! And we've all seen how boring Ogata has become... so the cycle just repeats. Boring, bland, untalented, boring, bland, untalented, over and over and over and every time you see a hint of light at the end of the tunnel, they make sure to snuff it out LOL very frustrating!
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Remove to music from the mix, and how many people continue to follow idol groups?
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<div>This is what I don't understand - obviously idols are about much more than the music, but their primary product is still selling albums and selling tickets to LIVE MUSIC CONCERTS! I don't expect an idol group to be made up of only extraordinary talents but there has to be a balance!</div>
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