Pucchimoni and Tanpopo to come back from the Dead!

Farrah · Post by **Farrah** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:22 am

[quote name='TnB' post='65792' date='Jun 24 2009, 11:27 AM']What irritates me most though is LinLin getting a solo and leading a new unit while JunJun is stuck with all of the weakest voices in MM. Not that I don't think LinLin deserves the solo + unit, but if JunJun isn't in one of those other sub groups they're really wasting her potential.[/quote]

From what live performances I've seen of Junjun, I'd consider her one of the weaker voices in MM. I agree she has potential, but not as much as Linlin, imo.

I'm excited about these groups if only for the prospect of wanting to see what they do with them.

Tsuki · Post by **Tsuki** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:32 am

I hope the new Biyuuden uses the 俗 kanji a la Zetsubou Sensei. Because I love random jokes no one gets and I have nothing further to add to this thread. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... iggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sideways:' />

Liana · Post by **Liana** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:30 am

I'm so happy for this project existing because it has brought the original Ai no Katsu PV into my life. It brings me such joy. Why NOT overlay a spinning slinky!

I originally thought the subgroup rivals were a reeeeeeeeally cheap way to make sales that would have VERY little chance of working. With the tracklist announcement out and ridiculous things like "Zoku Viyuuden", I really think this is just a one time thing for the fans, thus making that "very little chance" into "we're not actually trying to make sales, silly gooses!" Ah well.

I listened to most of the original songs and most of them do nothing for me, so I'm not sure how excited I am for the overall release. I'm doing cartwheels and backflips and spinning jumps over the Linlin solo, though!

JPope · Post by **JPope** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:03 pm

[quote name='Milly' post='65819' date='Jun 25 2009, 02:17 AM']It seems like a slap in the face to the Viyuden girls. They were a legit group with 10 singles, photobooks, concert tours. And now it's like the group was just another random H!P group, that can just be replaced with different girls. That's kinda sad.[/quote]

Yeah, this one doesn't make any sense at all.

tsukinobyouin · Post by **tsukinobyouin** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:20 pm

[quote name='Ang' post='65822' date='Jun 25 2009, 03:22 AM'][quote name='TnB' post='65792' date='Jun 24 2009, 11:27 AM']What irritates me most though is LinLin getting a solo and leading a new unit while JunJun is stuck with all of the weakest voices in MM. Not that I don't think LinLin deserves the solo + unit, but if JunJun isn't in one of those other sub groups they're really wasting her potential.[/quote]

From what live performances I've seen of Junjun, I'd consider her one of the weaker voices in MM. I agree she has potential, but not as much as Linlin, imo.

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Eh, there are very few girls in the current lineup that sound good live, and every single one of them is inconsistant. JunJun definately sounds strained and weak there, but she sounds fine in all of the performances I've seen of Ame no Furanai Hoshi. I don't think she is as consistantly off key, grating, and nasal as Koharu and Sayumi - members who they can barely clean up for the CD release. I'm not as concerned about live vocals as much as some other fans though, since I only watch live performances that seem like they might be interesting right when the DVD comes out, and then never watch them again.

As for the Biyuuden group, I somehow missed Milly's original post but that's a really good point. It's kind of sad that the original Biyuuden dissolved for no real reason (other than sales, I suppose, but that hasn't stopped other H!P acts) and no clear future for its members and now they're slapping the name on some random other girls while the original members are basically hanging out doing nothing (musically).

Purin-chama · Post by **Purin-chama** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:32 am

I remember when the group first disbanded, they came out and said it was their choice for it.

Pucchi-Mo · Post by **Pucchi-Mo** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:17 pm

HAVEN'T FOUND THE SOURCE YET, BUT WHEN I SAW IT IN THE DATA STATION, I WASN'T SUSPICIOUS AND I DIDN'T CHECK THE LYRICS LINK. SORRY (CURRENTLY LOOKING TO CONFIRM)

The first news proved me wrong so I wasn't as quick to call this fake. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... nfused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />

So far, only things mentioning this are random blogs and message boards.

MIGHT BE A BIG FAT LIE

Viyuden= Michishige Sayumi, Junjun, Sugaya Risako

ZYX= Niigaki Risa, Kusumi Koharu, Tsugunaga Momoko, Sudou Maasa, Umeda Erika, Wada Ayaka, Ogawa Saki

Aa!=Natsuyaki Miyabi, Suzuki Airi and Saho Akari (Really just Buono without Momoko)

Minimoni: LinLin, Fukuda Kanon, Takeuchi Akari, Miyamoto Karin

Pucchimoni: Mano Erina, Nakajima Saki, Hagiwara Mai

Tanpopo: Kamei Eri, Mitsui Aika, Umeda Erika, Okai Chisato

Viyuden makes sense because Sayumi is the one who took over Rika's cute act(and Y balance skill), but I wanted Koharu since she can sing eerily similar to Rika. Oh, I guess the ages work too. Leader is a year younger than the 2nd girl, and the 3rd is a bit younger than both. Yay Jun Jun, you better feel them underaged berryz boobs up good. Who can sing REALLY REALLY HIGH? Pajama na Jikan must not be compromised. lol:

ZYX seems to be the most interesting surprise. Risa & Koharu, it's almost like it was just the only place left to put them. Well, and Pucchi Moni is ZERO PERCENT MORNING. That's another thing, the sub groups are much more about the rest of H!P than just a Morning Musume club.

EDIT: Nevermind Eri, I forgot about HIGH-KING! Takahashi & Reina are still there.

..If the groupings aren't all real, I might still get Koharu as Rika.

eri · Post by **eri** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:33 pm

[quote name='TightWetPucchi' post='66228' date='Jul 10 2009, 12:17 PM']Viyuden= Michishige Sayumi, Junjun, Sugaya Risako

ZYX= Niigaki Risa, Kusumi Koharu, Tsugunaga Momoko, Sudou Maasa, Umeda Erika, Wada Ayaka, Ogawa Saki

Aa! without Reina = illegal, but here it is anyway: Natsuyaki Miyabi, Suzuki Airi and Saho Akari

Pucchimoni: Mano Erina, Nakajima Saki, Hagiwara Mai

Tanpopo: Kamei Eri, Mitsui Aika, Umeda Erika, Okai Chisato

Ok, so what about Takahashi & Reina... <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... lesson.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' /> nice hat[/quote]

I like these! Viyuden also makes sense because Sayumi has made moves to be seen as more adult lately. I'm not super big on Junjun but I'm already loving (if somewhat uncomfortable considering Risako is still, what, 15?) a sexy group with those three. I still don't like Mano Erina in Pucchimoni but whatever. She should be switched with Kamei in Tanpopo.

Reina and Takahashi are the two leads of the group so it makes sense to keep them out of mini-groups. Maybe we'll get a solo from them?

peachgirldb · Post by **peachgirldb** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:32 pm

Can people PLEASE stop posting that list without an official source?

Geof · Post by **Geof** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:49 pm

Can people PLEASE stop posting that list that makes it look like Aika's in Tanpopo?

<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ryalot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />

vanillacat · Post by **vanillacat** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:49 pm

Saki!Brows is still in HIGH-KING, right? Or I will throw an epic shitfit of monstrous proportion.

But, uh, where's Yurina? (Kumai? I just seriously blanked out at the screen trying to remember which name people usually call her by) or Chinami? OR MAIMI? Am I missing something? Were those three put in something that I didn't hear about?

The sheer fact that Erika and Maasa were put in a group, and not three girls who are probably (DEFINITELY in Maimi's case) more popular makes me more than a bit suspicious of the list, unless the Tsunkmaster's got something ELSE up his sleeve.

Purin-chama · Post by **Purin-chama** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:16 am

Maimi's in High-King

Johnson · Post by **Johnson** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:55 am

I don't know if you all have seen these. SCANS of the album! (From JPM's pazard, not hotlinked).

sadude edit: Sorry to break up your post, but the full size links had adult website popups. I attached the full images to the post instead.[/edit]

Pucchimoni = Mano, Nakajima, and Hagiwara

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Minimoni = Linlin, Fukuda, Takeuchi, and Miyamoto

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Tanpopo = Kamei, Mitsui, Kumai, and Okai

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V-U-Den = Junjun, Michishige, and Sugaya

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OMG. Junjun looks lovely.

sadude edit: Two more pics:

Aa:

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ZYX:

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eri · Post by **eri** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:39 am

Yay more real evidence! I'm really excited. I don't know who half of these girls are (Eggs?) but most of them look cute. I didn't even remember High King until everyone mentioned it here - is that thing still going on?

Liana · Post by **Liana** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:27 pm

Some of these line-ups make less sense than others. Of all the things to do with Pucchimoni! Maybe giving Mano a song to sing that doesn't suck will help her become more likeable? I mostly love how much bitching the Viyuuden group is getting. No, neither Sayumi or JunJun have any singing ability and what Risako DOES have annoys everybody, but like. Am I the only one who remembers the original Viyuuden? The one with an anime vocalist with the range of three notes, a stronger vocalist that sounded like a goat, and Erika who sounded like EVERY VOICE EVER?

Shoujo Q · Post by **Shoujo Q** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:06 pm

I'm happy with the Tanpopo group. 3 of my favorite members in one group is always a happy time. I'm upset that Reina isn't in the new Aa, why couldn't you have members in more then one song? That's never stopped UFA before. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

BeForJess · Post by **BeForJess** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:28 pm

Might wanna put some warnings for people clicking on these images, some of the links are taking me to adult websites with popups... Not so good if there are other people in the room, especially teenage little sisters. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/doh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

I'm thoroughly confused by some of the lineups, though.

sadude · Post by **sadude** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:58 pm

[quote name='BeForJess' post='66288' date='Jul 11 2009, 05:28 PM']Might wanna put some warnings for people clicking on these images, some of the links are taking me to adult websites with popups... Not so good if there are other people in the room, especially teenage little sisters. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/doh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />[/quote]

Fixed, sort of.

These lineups seem nice. I hope that the songs are good, though, because otherwise the lineups won't matter. Unless we've forgotten that 2nd gen Tanpopo a) had Rika in it and <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wota:' /> wouldn't have been the same without that style of songs style.

Madara · Post by **Madara** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:00 pm

Someone at the Tsunku Q&A last Saturday (a whole week ago!) asked him why he was reviving old groups like Pucchimoni and Tanpopo instead of simply creating new units and he said, per the translator, "It would be too bad to let some of my better songs go dormant."

I know that a recording of the MM Q&A was posted on another site, but what about the Tsunku Q&A? Does anybody have a recording of that?

Farrah · Post by **Farrah** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:54 pm

This Pucchimoni deeply displeases me - that's 2 of H!Ps most irritating vocalist, and one vocaloid. Not phased by Biyuuden since, as Liana said, the original was faaaar from a vocal powerhouse. I would like Tanpopo so much more - Yurina, Aika + ...someone. Or something. Overall, though, I'm okay with these lineups, though they could be better, imo =/ This Pucchimoni really grinds my gears, though, seeing as the original ALWAYS had really strong singers.

Pucchi-Mo · Post by **Pucchi-Mo** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:05 pm

Yay, it is true. I couldn't imagine why someone would wait 5 days before the CD came out to post fake groupings.

Liana, I think the bigger issue with Viyuuden is the fact that they're replacing the entire group, and doing so with girls who most can't imagine being SEXYuuden. Plus the fact that it just ended last year, at least the other units were long dead. This Viyuuden is more like getting a surprise face transplant while in a coma. (Milly & TnB explained it best) I didn't see as much concern about the singing ability.

[quote name='Madara' post='66293' date='Jul 11 2009, 06:00 PM']reviving old groups like Pucchimoni and Tanpopo instead of simply creating new units and he said, per the translator, "It would be too bad to let some of my better songs go dormant."[/quote]

By that reasoning, ELDER CLUB WOULD STILL BE HERE! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wota:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... uckyou.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

(which is bull anyway since they already have done tons of covers of the old sub-unit songs)

Since this secret is already out, I wonder if there are more things to be revealed at the concert on the 19th. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /ph34r.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ph34r:' />

eri · Post by **eri** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:13 pm

[quote name='Liana' post='66281' date='Jul 11 2009, 12:27 PM']Some of these line-ups make less sense than others. Of all the things to do with Pucchimoni! Maybe giving Mano a song to sing that doesn't suck will help her become more likeable? I mostly love how much bitching the Viyuuden group is getting. No, neither Sayumi or JunJun have any singing ability and what Risako DOES have annoys everybody, but like. Am I the only one who remembers the original Viyuuden? The one with an anime vocalist with the range of three notes, a stronger vocalist that sounded like a goat, and Erika who sounded like EVERY VOICE EVER?[/quote]

haha! Yes - Biyuuden was simply thrown together to be a more adult sexy vehicle to keep squeezing money out of Rika fans. Sayumi and Risako are considered "hot" (no opinion on Jun Jun) but in a cute way. So this is a great re-working of the group.

Pucchimoni is too bad, but I'm hoping Mano will actually start seeming like a teen age girl instead of...well, a cardboard cut-out of herself.

Arichii · Post by **Arichii** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:39 pm

As far as I'm concerned these revival groups are really not going to live up to the original groups because all of the lineups seem a little off, but as long as the songs are decent I'm looking forward to this.

Liana · Post by **Liana** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:08 pm

[quote name='TightWetPucchi' post='66303' date='Jul 11 2009, 08:05 PM']Liana, I think the bigger issue with Viyuuden is the fact that they're replacing the entire group, and doing so with girls who most can't imagine being SEXYuuden. Plus the fact that it just ended last year, at least the other units were long dead. This Viyuuden is more like getting a surprise face transplant while in a coma. (Milly & TnB explained it best) I didn't see as much concern about the singing ability.[/quote]

Oh definitely and I agree with that. Viyuuden wasn't a one shot group or a MM subgroup that went through line-up changes and was a side project, it was a very specific and beloved group. Reviving it is almost insulting the original three girls who worked really hard at that group, like "Whatever y'all got too old, trying again!" But I've seen a lot of crying about the vocals of Zoku Viyuuden and it's THAT I don't understand since Viyuuden was just not about the singing.

Johnson · Post by **Johnson** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:15 pm

[quote name='BeForJess' post='66288' date='Jul 12 2009, 07:28 AM']Might wanna put some warnings for people clicking on these images, some of the links are taking me to adult websites with popups... Not so good if there are other people in the room, especially teenage little sisters. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/doh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />[/quote]

Sorry about that. >.<

Oh, there are previews of some of the songs out there. If you wanna listen, go but don't forget to buy the album.

lemonmilktea · Post by **lemonmilktea** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:25 pm

[quote name='Geof' post='66243' date='Jul 10 2009, 05:49 PM']Can people PLEASE stop posting that list that makes it look like Aika's in Tanpopo?

<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ryalot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cryalot:' />[/quote]

QFT <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... lesson.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lesson:' />

I love the original Tanpop and am all for the new one.... But not with Aika (or as I typically good-naturedly like to call her Gremlin.)

I'd like if they put Mano Erina in New Tanpopo, if only because to me she'd seem like she could fit in with the early, original 1st and 2nd gen Tanpopo really nicely.

Johnson · Post by **Johnson** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:35 pm

Just heard the preview for "Akai Sweet Pea."

I honestly don't like any of the Kids because I think they're irritating, but Chisato and Yurina sounded awesome in "Akai Sweet Pea," especially Chisato. Aika too. In fact, sometimes, I swear I could hear Risa whenever Aika sings. I love Aika, but she still needs to practice more to hit those high notes. And... I'm really glad that the song is all about Eri. She sounded really, really, really lovely and amazing.

It would be nice if Risa is actually part of the line-up. More Gaki-Kame please.

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:22 am

Minimoni: Cute! Give them good promotion and good songs, please! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... banana.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cryalot:' />

Tanpopo: I wouldn't have picked Aika (Chisato neither, but at least she can sing). The song sounds alright, though. (youtube)

Pucchimoni: None of these member fit the cool, fun image I have of Pucchimoni. And the vocals are weak. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/nono.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':nono:' />

Viyuden: I don't mind the member choice, but I still can't imagine Viyuden with other girls than the original ones at the moment. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /noway.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lesson:' />

ZYX: I totally expected Risa and Ogawa Saki in this. Oh, and yay for Maasa!

Aa!: Sucks for the people that were hoping for the original line-up. I guess they wanted everyone to have a sub-group. I wonder where Kanna would have fit in.

I still don't see the point in reviving all these groups for some random covers. I guess time will tell if something will come out of it.

tsukinobyouin · Post by **tsukinobyouin** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:25 am

These lineups seem really random and not well thought out. Then again, I'm not sure there was much to think about in the first place since these it's still not clear what's happening with these groups aside from this cover album. If these groups are supposed to in any way resemble their previous incarnations, then only a handful of member placings make sense. If Tsunku is totally rebooting the groups and only having them occationally sing old material, then who knows.

As for Tanpopo, really ony Eri's voice was well suited for Akai Sweet Pea. Yurina's deeper, less than soft voice really stood out the most as out of place. Aika did sound much better than usual though, and Chisato did alright. Eri was just so perfect for that song and does it so beautifully she really made me wish it had been a solo for her. I have really high standards for that song though since it's one of my favorites, so from a more withdrawn perspective no one really sounds particularly bad in the song.

Tallgeese · Post by **Tallgeese** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:17 pm

The good: New biyuuden, tanpopo and minimoni

Not so good: ZYX and Pucchi moni

The problem with ZYX is that there are too many people. They seriously should have just re-did the original formula, which is one MM member and a bunch of HPK (HPE in this case). I'd rather have that, then a mish mash of MM, HPK, and HPE.

I've always thought of Pucchi moni as the tomboyish, sassy counterpart to the ultra-feminine and elegant Tanpopo. However, in this lineup you have two "girly" girls, Erina and Saki N. It would have made a lot more sense to put the other Saki in this. And while Hagiwara does fit the mold, she still seems a bit too "little sister" cute for me.

The new minimoni seems pretty decently constructed. Minimoni is all about whackiness, craziness, and cute kids, with a foriegner thrown in to boot. Linlin is just crowded out in MM, and given that group's likely continued mature image and song selection, minimoni is an ideal contrast, and a perfect fit for her humorous character.

I can see the new biyuuden doing everything the old one did, I just hope they don't slut up Risako too much. I don't think they will, because usually the costume designers will cut things differently depending on who's wearing the costume.

The new tanpopo was a nice surprise. Chisato and Eri finally get a chance to sing and Yurina is the new Kaori. I don't know much about Aika, but hopefully she'll get more popular if tanpopo does some new songs.

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