What draws you to H!P?

[bowbow0720]

I always thought it was yossie that got me into HP

but now that I thought about it... it was Risako !!!!!

She was so cute back then, now she's juss chubby and trying to act sexy and stuff. She's still my fav but I only listen to their new songs and not even bother to watch their concerts.

around 2005, I watched berryz PV and went crazily in love with them. I watch and listen to their PVs and songs everyday. But I don't follow them as much now since the Berry kids has become like professional idols. I like them being shy, not use to being on the stage but still give their 120% best.



soon or after I found MM watching a HP concert. I guess it was around the sexy boy period, and then I fell deeply for yossie till now...

I guess it was her FUNNY / boyish yet girlish personality that got me. And as I watched more her videos I found out that her pre chubby and girlish period made me love her even more !!!

she's my one and only favorite. I dont' really like anyone else individually.

[Kissfully]

I only got into H!P around two years ago, and that's only because of Minimoni tied into Hamtaro.



I only stay around because all America music now a days isn't very good. And listening to the radio is like pulling up a playlist from three years ago, it's nothing new to me. So I guess I'm just around till I suck all my liking out of every group, I'm not even past Morning Musume yet so it might be awhile.

[Sabaku Ika]

I was originally drawn by the hawt tunes AND hawt girls. It was a combination that worked well on my late teenaged mind. They aren't as good as they were back then, but even if they were, I'm not sure I could appreciate them as much now. The only things that keep me attached to H!P at this point are the people at this wonderful BBS.

[JPope]

[quote name='Em-El' post='76071' date='Feb 21 2010, 06:09 PM']PS: IN MY OPINION, the music has essentially been the same. I guess sometimes people really do need reminders that things are opinions since you appear to believe that I thought what I was saying was a fact. Defensive elitism and projection must be what it is, since that's what seems to be coming from you. You're doing the same thing that you're accusing me of doing: you're telling me that my opinion is my opinion. Why are you smart enough to know that your own opinions are opinion, but somehow you believe that I'm not?



But what do I know? That's all just my opinion.[/quote]

You're the guy who wrote "Everyone who got into H!P in the "golden age" who disparage the current generation of idols are just clouded with nostalgia." Or maybe they aren't. Maybe we just like the old stuff better because we think it's simply better music performed by more interesting people, and not because of some clouded judgment that you, with some sort of superior objectivity, are not held back by. I have never seen any old-schooler write anything so patronizing of any new schooler on this bbs ever.

[al kusanagi]

Y'all niggas retarded.



It is not opinion that HP was better back in the day, it's damned FACT! Even discounting sales as being ruined by the internet, HP doesn't have 1/10th the media presence/saturation, member recognition, following or respect they had from roughly 99-03. "Classics" like Love Machine, Renai Revolution 21 and The Peace still get lots of regular play on karaoke rankings. New songs and acts, not so much... I'm happy they've managed to at least keep several radio shows going, and ex-members like Mari and Mai Satoda have become household names, but that's pretty much it. All the new HP (or whatever the hell labels they use) groups are scientifically designed to appeal to, and drain funds from, the scum of the earth wota. Do you want to lay with the lepers and frolic with the unclean?!? Because that's what you're doing when you side with those fucks who destroyed HP in the first place!!! Don't fall for that cutesy moe-moe bullshit! The cleansing flamethrower of righteousness will deal with them all. Oh yes.



Seriously, how could any person who discovered HP in their prime think the current situation is better? If you came on board in the last few years, then I guess you're excused (unless you're some shitbag wota) because you don't know any better. The Tsunku you know is usually nice, loves you when you sit quietly and drink your Kool-Aid, and only hits you "when you deserve it." But us Golden-Agers knew Tsunku back before he started drinking and the world began to weigh on him, frolicking in Elysian fields where you could count generations on one hand (perhaps with a vestigial pinky) and sub-groups meant something, before the lure of cigarettes and D-list celebrity/comedian cock, when HP Kids were adorable munchkins and not wota spank-fantasies.



I pity you. Then feel a little sad that you will never know the glory. Then it turns to envy, because ignorance is bliss, and unlike us, you will never have to stand on the ravaged coastline and gaze upon the ruins of Atlantis, reminiscing of the days when you walked its streets hand in hand with Gocchin and adorable little Asami Kimura.



Faggots.

[Ap2000]

[quote name='Sabaku Ika' post='76079' date='Feb 22 2010, 02:58 AM']The only things that keep me attached to H!P at this point are the people at this wonderful BBS.[/quote]



I totally forgot this.

If it wasn't for the entertainment here and in mIRC/Skype in the last few months/years, I'd be looking at the corpse of my interest in H!P.

[mrsross]

What draws me to H!P is the music. I got into H!P thanks to THE iDOLM@STER after somebody said that all the characters were like Morning Musume so I checked out Morning Musume then I got interested into the other groups.

[neshcom]

Heynow, heynow



Can't we at least agree that current Musumo is shite?

Y'all niggas retarded.



It is not opinion that HP was better back in the day, it's damned FACT! Even discounting sales as being ruined by the internet, HP doesn't have 1/10th the media presence/saturation, member recognition, following or respect they had from roughly 99-03. "Classics" like Love Machine, Renai Revolution 21 and The Peace still get lots of regular play on karaoke rankings. New songs and acts, not so much... I'm happy they've managed to at least keep several radio shows going, and ex-members like Mari and Mai Satoda have become household names, but that's pretty much it. All the new HP (or whatever the hell labels they use) groups are scientifically designed to appeal to, and drain funds from, the scum of the earth wota. Do you want to lay with the lepers and frolic with the unclean?!? Because that's what you're doing when you side with those fucks who destroyed HP in the first place!!! Don't fall for that cutesy moe-moe bullshit! The cleansing flamethrower of righteousness will deal with them all. Oh yes.



Seriously, how could any person who discovered HP in their prime think the current situation is better? If you came on board in the last few years, then I guess you're excused (unless you're some shitbag wota) because you don't know any better. The Tsunku you know is usually nice, loves you when you sit quietly and drink your Kool-Aid, and only hits you "when you deserve it." But us Golden-Agers knew Tsunku back before he started drinking and the world began to weigh on him, frolicking in Elysian fields where you could count generations on one hand (perhaps with a vestigial pinky) and sub-groups meant something, before the lure of cigarettes and D-list celebrity/comedian cock, when HP Kids were adorable munchkins and not wota spank-fantasies.



I pity you. Then feel a little sad that you will never know the glory. Then it turns to envy, because ignorance is bliss, and unlike us, you will never have to stand on the ravaged coastline and gaze upon the ruins of Atlantis, reminiscing of the days when you walked its streets hand in hand with Gocchin and adorable little Asami Kimura.



Faggots.

This is the funniest thing I have ever read. I'm trying my hardest, but I can't get my sarcasmometer to make heads or tales of this, but I do know it's delicious.

[michikodesu]

I like Morning Musume because of their songs, so the credit goes to Tsunku; but also, I liked the girls personalities and that the girls were all different and they all didn't try to sing the same way. They all had different voices and different ways of doing things and it never seemed that they were trying to jump over each other or try to do too much to get in front of the camera. But, by my saying that, I also have to explain my fan-dom of MM.



I started liking Morning Musume BEFORE the 'golden era' and actually stopped listening to them after The Peace! I saw a few things here and there; but I was actually turned off by the fact that there were too many girls to figure out and I couldn't see the ones that I did remember. It wasn't until Mikan where I saw them again and it was definitely different from what I knew of Morning Musume. And I actually liked it (even though sales seemed to make people think that the song sucked when I thought it was good). Yeah, it didn't have the ones who were there in the beginning or when I stopped listening; but I liked the voices and I liked the song. So, I was wondering if this was the same group that I liked; and technically it was, there were just graduations and changes, but it was pretty much the same group. So, I had fun listening to the older songs and figuring out who was who. Now, I'm still a fan; but I find myself really listening to the recent songs more than the older songs (although I like the 1-2 gen songs better than a huge amount of songs from 3rd-7th gen.).



As for the other groups in H!P....I listened to some of the songs; and I liked some more than others (sorry guys, I wasn't a huge fan of MK even though Tsunku wrote the songs). Just recently I've become a fan of C-ute because of the songs. BerryZ......well, let's just say that I respect them for doing what they do. The shuffles and sub-units were pretty fun as well.



Also, if you think that the songs were better in one generation than another, that's fine and dandy; but it's totally assinine to assume that everyone thinks the same way you do. For me, like I said above, I like all the songs; but I like the recent ones more. But that's just my preference. I know that there are "golden agers" as well as the "noobs" in H!P. I mean, there are people out there who like the younger Beatles (like "LOVE ME DO") over the older Beatles (like "HELTERSKELTER). It's the same thing. It's all about preference.

[AEUGNewtype]

[quote name='michikodesu' post='76091' date='Feb 21 2010, 09:59 PM']I mean, there are people out there who like the younger Beatles (like "LOVE ME DO") over the older Beatles (like "HELTERSKELTER). It's the same thing. It's all about preference.[/quote]

That's a good reference that I was considering using earlier. Some people swear by the music they made in the early days when they LITERALLY were making their recordings cramped into a tiny basement or small studio, but I much prefer the Abbey Road days when they had a giant studio to themselves and they could work out the intricacies of each song to the fullest instead of just running everything full-speed to get it recorded and done. Not only did the production change, but the songwriting vastly changed, and they were all the better for it. Artists go through changes and some fans adjust and others don't.

[thamychan]

If I'm not wrong, for me it was first Aya, then the As For One Day song, then Gomattou, and then Airi Suzuki in Aa!. It took me really long to actually enjoy Morning Musume, it was only around the time Natsumi was graduation... But I remember first hearing about then when Maki announced her graduation, watched a PV and was shocked, too much "genkiness" for me! And I already liked Aya then... maybe because they were such a huge group.



Anyway, what called my attention to H!P were Tsunku's songs but what made me stay were the girls! I actually began liking the Kids, Airi, ZYX, Berryz... I only started saying I liked Morning Musume after Koharu got in, already followed their singles then (since As for one day, actually) and listened to them but my love for the group was after Koharu. And I didn't even like her! I mean, i liked her at first and then she became Kirarin and just when I was starting to like her again, she graduated. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /pouty.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Anyway, it wasn't Koharu who made me like the group.

[al kusanagi]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='76099' date='Feb 21 2010, 11:25 PM'][quote name='michikodesu' post='76091' date='Feb 21 2010, 09:59 PM']I mean, there are people out there who like the younger Beatles (like "LOVE ME DO") over the older Beatles (like "HELTERSKELTER). It's the same thing. It's all about preference.[/quote]

That's a good reference that I was considering using earlier. Some people swear by the music they made in the early days when they LITERALLY were making their recordings cramped into a tiny basement or small studio, but I much prefer the Abbey Road days when they had a giant studio to themselves and they could work out the intricacies of each song to the fullest instead of just running everything full-speed to get it recorded and done. Not only did the production change, but the songwriting vastly changed, and they were all the better for it. Artists go through changes and some fans adjust and others don't.

[/quote]



But that's almost a perfect comparison to pre-Maki MM and MM after she joined. The situation now is more like after the Beatles broke up and started doing their own things.



PS. Koharu is Yoko Ono. That bitch.

[Gerald]

[quote name='Al Kusanagi' post='76083' date='Feb 22 2010, 02:33 AM']Do you want to lay with the lepers and frolic with the unclean?!?[/quote]

Well I think I've got some free time later <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... umbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />.





[quote name='michikodesu' post='76091' date='Feb 22 2010, 03:59 AM']I like Morning Musume because of their songs, so the credit goes to Tsunku; but also, I liked the girls personalities and that the girls were all different and they all didn't try to sing the same way. They all had different voices and different ways of doing things and it never seemed that they were trying to jump over each other or try to do too much to get in front of the camera.[/quote]

Exactly how I feel. Because I got in via Hello! Morning it was the personalities that drew me in and when I came across a subbed version of "Until the Bus Comes" I fell in love with Yuu-chan (the sexiest damn school teacher ever), Granny Yasuda, Yaguchi with her headphones, Nacchi as a bespectacled geek, it was solid gold.



Now it's harder because you can't really see the personalities of the girls since they no longer have a regular TV show, I think that's partly why I have never really cared about Aika as I really can't get a feeling for what she's like. Haromoni@ did nothing to help, Oh she has a very good short-term memory, I'm sure there must be more to her than that but I don't get a chance to see it on a regular basis.



Maybe that's part of the reason why those who were around for the golden days prefer the girls then as you felt you knew them, they were friends, you felt if you met them they would be the people they appeared to be on TV. Personally I think Eri, Sayu, JunLin can be just as appealing as the OGs.

[staplermofo]

[quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76113' date='Feb 22 2010, 05:53 AM']Maybe that's part of the reason why those who were around for the golden days prefer the girls then as you felt you knew them, they were friends, you felt if you met them they would be the people they appeared to be on TV. Personally I think Eri, Sayu, JunLin can be just as appealing as the OGs.[/quote]



Part of it is that none of the first 3 generations saw Morning Musume as an end in itself. They had aspirations beyond that and worked at them. Takahashi and Niigaki act like they'd be happy doing this into their 30s. This could from the lack of proper shuffles, subunits, etc, but it seems like there's very little of the jockeying to get ahead and competitiveness that made the older generations so amusing. If the ghost of Yaguchi of 2001 could possess Aika, she'd rip the other girls' hearts out and make a cute tiara from them.

The current line up pouts when they don't get as much airtime as they should, the older generations were constantly making themselves distractions. LinLin could be shoving fingers in people's asses. Aika could be giggling demurely like Abe used to. Takahashi could be doing anything. She still gives one word answers for crying out loud.



I like them desperate for my attention... because I am a horrible person.



Still, H!P always manages to make them worth watching. Sometimes the view is window seat, sometimes it's aisle, but the view is never middle seat.

[tsukinobyouin]

[quote name='staplermofo' post='76115' date='Feb 22 2010, 09:30 AM']Part of it is that none of the first 3 generations saw Morning Musume as an end in itself. They had aspirations beyond that and worked at them. Takahashi and Niigaki act like they'd be happy doing this into their 30s. This could from the lack of proper shuffles, subunits, etc, but it seems like there's very little of the jockeying to get ahead and competitiveness that made the older generations so amusing.[/quote]



This actually is something that I really like about Takahashi and Niigaki (and other girls). They care about the group they're in and want to do well within it and want it to do well as a whole. The "me me me me" stuff gets old for me fast. I guess I like to see that the group that I'm so into is equally into what they're doing rather than looking at it as just a stepping stone. I don't mean to say that I dislike all the older girls or that some of the jockeying didn't lead to some pretty funny/entertaining stuff. I just tend to lean more toward the Niigaki and Takahashi types than the Yuko and Sayumi types.

[Miss Moonlight]

This may be a very silly question to pose to the H!P fanbase... but does anyone else have trouble idolizing girls younger than you?



I've been trying to figure out what drew me in the first place that isn't there anymore, and most of it has been said already; I share the opinion that there used to be a different, more infectious energy among the girls, and that their personalities were more varied and more interesting. I started listening to Morning Musume a little in 2002, because on Monday nights my cable provider's international channel played HEY!HEY!HEY! and I saw them perform Souda! We're Alive. So I guess the music drew me in the first place, since it was nothing like anything I'd heard before, and it suited my tastes perfectly at that time. I didn't get into the girls until 2004/2005 when I went to college and got a speedy internet connection, and even at that point it wasn't the 04/05 lineup that got me hooked. A friend of mine showed me the Mr. Moonlight PV and it just mesmerized me. From that point what I enjoyed the most was the material between the beginning and Kaori's graduation concert. I thoroughly enjoyed the music but it was the other stuff— the TV appearances and live performances— that got me obsessed with H!P.



Now, I still listen, but I'm back to a music-only interest, and with very few random exceptions that listening interest stops at Morning Musume. I still enjoy their new songs, but I've stopped watching the girls. I had a 6-hour train ride recently and I brought the AX video to entertain myself, and I actually turned it off half way through in favor of looking out the window. In addition to what has been said about the girls then vs. now, I think there is also an age factor for me. I'm Takahashi's age, and she is the only girl left in all of H!P who I truly like. There are a few others who I'm OK with, but I don't really love anyone anymore except for her. And I realized that all of my favorites have been older than me. Even in the old days, I never liked Tsuji and Kago even a little, and my feelings toward anyone else born 1987 and later ranged from ambivalent to bitter. It wasn't a conscious thing, it just worked out that way. I've always disliked Berryz and C-ute, and even though more recently they (and Buono) have put out a tiny handful of songs I enjoy, I never had any desire to further acquaint myself with the girls. I know absolutely nothing about the new young groups. I don't know if that means anything by itself or if it's just a coincidence that the older girls happened to have personalities I enjoyed more, but it's just an interesting observation that I wanted to throw out there.

[Tsuki]

For me, I was pulled in by old episodes of Ayaka's English Lessons about 4 years ago; I had some "golden era" songs from when they first were released, but Morning Musume wasn't even a blip on my radar other than that. It really was their personalities that brought me in, but ironically it was mostly the OGs. The lineup when I really got into them was nothing like it was when they seemed most interesting.



This isn't supposed to be a disparaging of the more current gen(s), I always considered them pretty much separate entities, and try to enjoy them as much. They might have the same "label" but they're different girls, and it isn't really fair to always judge them with the same labels. That being said, the OG personalities brought me in, but I think it's the music mostly now that keeps me interested. Sometimes the girls might have an interesting appearance somewhere, but it's few and far between.



As for the rest of current H!P, the Kidz were never on my radar, and they still aren't. I like their music, but I still can't name more than two or three members, and I certainly couldn't really tell you if they were in Berryz or C-ute.



But Mano holds a special place in my heart, and I really don't even know why.

[momoirosaya]

Honestly, I didn't even get into H!P till around 2007.

The reason I got into it in the first place was because of "Shugo Chara!" and "Kirarin Revolution".

I think the Golden Era was the best, but I still love H!P today. Although, I do wish they had TV shows to show off their personalities, and wouldn't have OG's on every talk show with them.

I got really into Momusu when I was watching old eps of "Ayaka's Suprise English Lesson" and "Hello! Morning" and "Utaban".

The OG's had interesting personalities on those shows, and the current Momusu (and Berryz, C-ute, etc.) don't have as much of a chance to show off their personalities.

I saw "Yorosen!" last year and loved it, although I was dissapointed that they were 5 min episodes and focused on only one group at a time.

And if you saw "Shabekuri 007" the current Momusu has no competition, but I think that's what made the older genertions so interesting.

Personally like the Golden Era more, because when you can see idols like that, they seem like real people who you know...like friends, as someone pointed out in an earlier post.



Even though I wasn't into H!P when the Shuffle groups were around, I still love them.

But many of the new songs are really catchy, and the girls are so talented.

It would be nice to see something new in H!P, like giving Momusu an energetic song like "GO GIRL ~Koi no Victory~" or "Koko ni Iruzee"....

But Tsunku is a genius with song-writing, so I will always be drawn to H!P.

[JPope]

[quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76113' date='Feb 22 2010, 06:53 AM']Now it's harder because you can't really see the personalities of the girls since they no longer have a regular TV show, I think that's partly why I have never really cared about Aika as I really can't get a feeling for what she's like. Haromoni@ did nothing to help, Oh she has a very good short-term memory, I'm sure there must be more to her than that but I don't get a chance to see it on a regular basis.[/quote]

There's a reason they don't have a regular TV show anymore.

[Ap2000]

[quote name='JPope' post='76166' date='Feb 23 2010, 07:45 AM'][quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76113' date='Feb 22 2010, 06:53 AM']



Now it's harder because you can't really see the personalities of the girls since they no longer have a regular TV show, I think that's partly why I have never really cared about Aika as I really can't get a feeling for what she's like. Haromoni@ did nothing to help, Oh she has a very good short-term memory, I'm sure there must be more to her than that but I don't get a chance to see it on a regular basis.[/quote]



There's a reason they don't have a regular TV show anymore.

[/quote]



It's not like they had much of a chance in crapmoni to shine. Always the same boring games and no good skits. Compare that to what possibilities they had during the H!M days.



There were several good moments with JunLin and some with Eri, Sayumi and Reina though.



Call me paranoid, but I think this also has to do with Takahashi being the leader and just trying to play everything safe.

[Geof]

[quote name='Ap2000' post='76169' date='Feb 23 2010, 02:48 AM'][quote name='JPope' post='76166' date='Feb 23 2010, 07:45 AM']

There's a reason they don't have a regular TV show anymore.[/quote]



It's not like they had much of a chance in crapmoni to shine. Always the same boring games and no good skits. Compare that to what possibilities they had during the H!M days.



Call me paranoid, but I think this also has to do with Takahashi being the leader and just trying to play everything safe.

[/quote]

But see, that's the point. They used to have all that until the end result of the show (i.e. sales) no longer justified the effort/expense. And you shut your commie bitch fag mouth about Takahashi, punk! Take her (and Reina) away & all you've got left is a collection of half-tone halfwits.

[Gerald]

[quote name='Geof' post='76176' date='Feb 23 2010, 12:56 PM']But see, that's the point. They used to have all that until the end result of the show (i.e. sales) no longer justified the effort/expense. And you shut your commie bitch fag mouth about Takahashi, punk! Take her (and Reina) away & all you've got left is a collection of half-tone halfwits.[/quote]

Sir I demand satisfaction.... how can you leave Risa out, she kicks Reina's scrawny butt vocally.



I always wondered why they didn't try a combination TV show maybe introduced by 4 girls each week, a different member from MM/Berryz/Cute/OG. Then also have the groups or solo members doing singing stuff and maybe doing more general entertainment things like comedy sketches, interviewing sports/film/TV personalities etc. That way you are working with a wider fan base plus it would be more fucking entertaining than Haromoni@ ever was.

[neshcom]

[quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76188' date='Feb 23 2010, 05:18 PM']...how can you leave Risa out, she kicks Reina's scrawny butt vocally.[/quote]

Get out

[Gerald]

[quote name='neshcom' post='76191' date='Feb 23 2010, 10:44 PM'][quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76188' date='Feb 23 2010, 05:18 PM']...how can you leave Risa out, she kicks Reina's scrawny butt vocally.[/quote]

Get out

[/quote]

Look, I really don't want to humiliate and embarass you in front of everybody else so I think you had better just look at THIS and then I will magnanimously accept your apology <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/whip.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />.

[neshcom]

[quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76192' date='Feb 23 2010, 06:02 PM'][quote name='neshcom' post='76191' date='Feb 23 2010, 10:44 PM'][quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76188' date='Feb 23 2010, 05:18 PM']...how can you leave Risa out, she kicks Reina's scrawny butt vocally.[/quote]

Get out

[/quote]

Look, I really don't want to humiliate and embarass you in front of everybody else so I think you had better just look at THIS and then I will magnanimously accept your aploogy <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/whip.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />.

[/quote]

1) DAMN, that video is old.

2) You should look at this. It from about (if not exactly) the same time.

[Ap2000]

Risa's better at slow songs than Reina. Ever heard Reina singing a ballad-ish song live ?

I don't like it at all. She usually has a somewhat-cranky voice, which isn't too bad in fast songs, but she always seems to sing so nasal when she's doing slow stuff, that doesn't sound good at all. Risa sounds WAY more harmonic in those cases.



For comparison, here Risa live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUxNRsqAbkI



Reina live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHwV_d05zIs, starting around 03:30



I don't hate Reina's voice, eventhough it can get annoying at times, but my ears tend to like Risa's better.





Also, I had to look up "magnanimously", I've never heard that word. haha

[al kusanagi]

Reina's an eternal loli while Risa looks like a 10 year old Thai boy in drag.

[Gerald]

[quote name='neshcom' post='76196' date='Feb 23 2010, 11:56 PM']2) You should look at this. It from about (if not exactly) the same time.[/quote]

I will reluctantly concede that her effort here is quite acceptable, but she is still a bit harsh and as Ap2000 says she is very nasal at times, generally the more effort she puts into it the worse it becomes. I don't dislike her voice, I just think Risa's is better.



[quote name='Al Kusanagi' post='76202' date='Feb 24 2010, 01:05 AM']Reina's an eternal loli while Risa looks like a 10 year old Thai boy in drag.[/quote]

I haven't got any personal experience of 10 year old Thai boys in drag but Risa does sometimes remind me of a hamster with full cheek pouches and then, to confuse me completely, she can also look stunning.

[Geof]

[quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76219' date='Feb 24 2010, 04:47 AM']I haven't got any personal experience of 10 year old Thai boys in drag but Risa does sometimes remind me of a hamster with full cheek pouches and then, to confuse me completely, she can also look stunning.[/quote]

If you're into that whole rodent thing, sure, whatever.

[Gerald]

[quote name='Geof' post='76220' date='Feb 24 2010, 12:53 PM']If you're into that whole rodent thing, sure, whatever.[/quote]

I trust you are not implying there is anything wrong about a little rodentophilia between consenting adults <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/perv.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />.