S/mileage New Member Audition!

[tsukinobyouin]

Why does everyone keep posting in tiny font? I'm assuming it's to not take up too much space in the thread with OT discussion, but...a post is a post. It might as well not be annoyingly hard to read.



[quote name='Saya' timestamp='1306852382' post='100302']

Some people have been saying, "Yeah maybe this will be good because lately S/mileage's songs have been meh to me."

...That has nothing to do with S/mileage themselves! Tsunku writes their songs! I don't think new members are going to make better songs.[/quote]



The new members themselves aren't going to make better songs, but maybe shaking things up will inspire Tsunku into more creativity. Or new members might bring about a style change. For example, Morning Musume's style drastically changed when Maki arrived. Tanpopo's style changed even more drastically when Kago and Rika were added. Depending on the type of girl(s) picked, Tsunku may use that girl(s) to take the group in a new direction, which has equal potential to be good or bad.



[quote name='eri' timestamp='1306853297' post='100303']

Hey, what does everyone think of the age limits for the S/mileage girl? They will only accept 13-18 while Morning Musume sets the bar lower = 10-17. This suggests that they want to ease S/mileage out of the cutesy image they have but keep Morning Musume more "generational" and young.

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Tsunku mentions that if they find a great girl, she can be a big part of the group right away, but if they find a less-than-awesome girl they'll have her be a "sub member" trainee. Perhaps setting the age range a bit higher is a way of attempting to find a more "polished" girl so that she doesn't have to be a "sub member"? That's my hope anyway. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> I'd really hate to see another Konno situation.



Realistically, it's probably more like Saya's guess. They're probably trying to maintain S/mileage as a group of girls all around the same age, while Morning Musume, as you said, has traditonally been built on being "generational and young."

[al kusanagi]

Is it or is it not true AKB has sub-members and rotating members that change based on popularity/singles? Because I'm getting blamed for bringing up AKB when I was pointing out that this S/mileage idea looks like a ripoff of them, not bashing them. It's when the AKB apologists start showing up that I get defensive.



And I WANTED S/mileage to become an MKB replacement. A four member, completely unchanging lineup, each with their own distinct personalities, and hopefully, eclectic songs. MKB was pretty fucking unique in that respect, and S/mileage had a good start at it.

[Shoujo Q]

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[quote name='eri' timestamp='1306853297' post='100303']

Hey, what does everyone think of the age limits for the S/mileage girl? They will only accept 13-18 while Morning Musume sets the bar lower = 10-17. This suggests that they want to ease S/mileage out of the cutesy image they have but keep Morning Musume more "generational" and young.

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Tsunku mentions that if they find a great girl, she can be a big part of the group right away, but if they find a less-than-awesome girl they'll have her be a "sub member" trainee. Perhaps setting the age range a bit higher is a way of attempting to find a more "polished" girl so that she doesn't have to be a "sub member"? That's my hope anyway. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> I'd really hate to see another Konno situation.



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When you make it sound like that, I don't mind so much. Sort of like a trainee and not really a sub-member.

[Anderei]

^

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They do a yearly vote for senbatsu and it's basically those top 21 who get to be in the single. And then the top 16 will actually get to promote it on TV. The Undergirls and the like get PVs too but it's only those top 16 who are really relevant to the public, I think.



Something like all of that. Saya could probably explain it better. S/mileage's small number has made it easier for them to all get screentime and fans, though. I can't imagine being an under/theater girl in AKB48, much less in SKE or NMB. I feel like it would be as if I'm in a completely different group no one cares about.





Maybe they're doing the S/mileage thing looking for Eggs as well.

[showraniy]

Since I realize I never said anything in this thread about the original topic, I'm just curious if people are upset about the potential for new members, or if this is exclusively about the rotating member idea. And I apologize for further complicating the discussion with yet another group, but I can't help but be reminded of Super Junior in this since fans threw the most major bitchfit of all bitchfits about Henry possibly becoming the 14th Super Junior member. They had the whole "Forever 13" movement and proved to be major assholes to Henry for it. So I guess I'm just curious about why people are opposed to a new member or members.

[Anderei]

ELFs are just assholes in general, because other groups have managed to add additions without any huge problems. ELFs/Cassies/Blackjacks/Sones/VIPs = worst kpop fandoms ever.



As for S/mileage just adding a new member, I'd be a bit disappointed if only because I feel 4-unit S/mileage works out really well and they're the only H!P group where everyone feels equal, rather than These Girls ft. Those Other girls, but I could handle a 4th member. The rotating member concept is just stupid though and not something I can support. I also worry about how new girl might be received both by the girls and their fans.

[tsukinobyouin]

I don't think a new girl (or girls) in S/mileage will have problem with fan hate - I think in the case of Super Junior that was brought up, that has more to do with Kpop fandom culture overall. In Hello! Project fandom (particularly in Japan) it's common for a fan to have one favorite they're devoted to, but that doesn't equate to hating the other girls. They just don't pay as much attention to them. The second generation Musumes managed to build up their own fanbases, so I'm sure the new member(s) of S/mileage will do the same.

[eri]

[quote name='showraniy' timestamp='1306865467' post='100318']

I'm just curious if people are upset about the potential for new members, or if this is exclusively about the rotating member idea.

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It doesn't seem like the members will be rotated - just that a sub-member would be like a trainee, not a replacement. I don't know anything about Super Juniors but, personally speaking...



The 4 girls have a really nice dynamic. The reaction against 5+ members for me comes out of anxiety that the dynamic could be messed up or that they'd add someone I dislike. At the same time, I'm always excited for auditions so...



It seems that people also feel....tricked? It has always been the 4 girls, even if there was a hint from the start the line up would change. It was always the 4 of them for a few years (?) when they were all Eggs and paired up to dance for Mano.



The main thing I dislike is, it feels like an insult to the current line-up. The 4 of them worked really hard as a unit to get their major debut and then to win the Best Newcomer Award etc. Out of nowhere, a brand new girl or two will be thrown in and it seems to cheapen what the OG girls worked hard for, all for a marketing gimmick. Arguably, this was the same for Morning Musume but it doesn't matter for me because I only became a fan after 2nd gen <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... nceman.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':danceman:' />

[Pucchi-Mo]

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[quote name='Saya' timestamp='1306852382' post='100302']

Some people have been saying, "Yeah maybe this will be good because lately S/mileage's songs have been meh to me."

...That has nothing to do with S/mileage themselves! Tsunku writes their songs! I don't think new members are going to make better songs.[/quote]



The new members themselves aren't going to make better songs, but maybe shaking things up will inspire Tsunku into more creativity. Or new members might bring about a style change. For example, Morning Musume's style drastically changed when Maki arrived. Tanpopo's style changed even more drastically when Kago and Rika were added. Depending on the type of girl(s) picked, Tsunku may use that girl(s) to take the group in a new direction, which has equal potential to be good or bad.[/quote]



I know it was just an example, but at the time of Maki's arrival, they also made a deal with Avex to borrow Dance Man to arrange for H!P. Well, I imagine that Maki's instant popularity inspired something. (a lot of cash cow milking <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> )

[tsukinobyouin]

[quote name='eri' timestamp='1306872225' post='100331']

Arguably, this was the same for Morning Musume but it doesn't matter for me because I only became a fan after 2nd gen <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... nceman.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':danceman:' />

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It still wasn't quite the same for Morning Musume - the second gen was added after only one single (technically two if you count Ai no Tane) and about a year after the original formation of the group. S/mileage has been a group for two years, already has 4 indies singles, 5 major singles, and an album. If this had happened much earlier in their history as a group, the fan reaction would probably be less intense.



[quote name='Pucchi mo' timestamp='1306872335' post='100332']

I know it was just an example, but at the time of Maki's arrival, they also made a deal with Avex to borrow Dance Man to arrange for H!P. Well, I imagine that Maki's instant popularity inspired something. (a lot of cash cow milking <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> )

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Fair point. But my point was just that having new members gives UFA or whoever an excuse to move the group in a new direction and change things up. They can use the new generation as a figurehead of something - sort of the way that the 9th gen at first was paraded around as bringing in the "new era" of Morning Musume.

[momoirosaya]

[quote name='Al Kusanagi' timestamp='1306860194' post='100308']

Is it or is it not true AKB has sub-members and rotating members that change based on popularity/singles? Because I'm getting blamed for bringing up AKB when I was pointing out that this S/mileage idea looks like a ripoff of them, not bashing them. It's when the AKB apologists start showing up that I get defensive.

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I have come to explain to you about the system of AKB48 <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... lesson.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lesson:' />



AKB48 has 3 teams. A,K, and B. Each Team with 16 members. Then they have Kenkyuusei (KKS), Research Students, who are similar of H!P Eggs, only they have a much higher chance of debuting in the group. (Some girls get kicked out or drop out). There are daily shows in the AKB theater in Akiba, different Teams on different days. They perform the same setlist for about a year, known as 'stages'. But with AKB's rising popularity not all the girls can make it to the theater, like Maeda Atsuko for example, is said to only perform in the theater about twice a year. That's when the 'sub members' come in. Those are members who take the place of someone else spot in the performance. Basically an understudy. Usually these girls are KKS, but regular members (sometimes even from different teams) can take their spot as well.



Senbatsu is basically a popularity contest. But just because a girl isn't in senbatsu doesn't mean she is any less talented. Some of AKB's best singers or dancers aren't even in senbatsu. It's really based on who management decides to push who becomes popular. While senbatsu usually decides who is in the election single, after that, it's pretty much up to management to decide after that. Like last election Oshima Yuko (my other oshi <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/wub.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' /> ) won and was center for that single, but afterwards the center returned to being Acchan (Atsuko). There are 22 girls in the election senbatsu, but after that the number goes to 16 girls, with the exception of a few singles (such as their new one Everyday Kachuusha, which has 26 girls). And the management might take a girl who ranks in lower senbatsu out of the main senbatsu and replace her with a girl that they want to push. Like Sashihara Rino ranked #19, but has been placed above #17 and #18 and always put into senbastu, while #17 and #18 were put into a kind of temporary sub group that sang the 3rd track for 2 singles. Plus it's not only AKB members in the singles, 2 girls from SKE48 are regularly in AKB singles (W Matsui, (Jurina and Rena Matsui [they aren't related, they just have the same last name]). And Everyday, Kachuusha featured 2 girls from NMB48. But really, the senbatsu members don't rotate too much unless a girl eithr graduates, gains a lot of popularity and ranks high in senbatsu, or loses fans and drops a lot.



1-12 Media Senbatsu (These are the girls who are featured on TV a lot, but some girls who aren't media senbatsu, such as Minegishi Minami (my oshi <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/wub.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' /> ) still do many media appearances, but media senbatsu are the ones who are really featured in the PV)

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13-21 Lower Senbatsu

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22-40 Undergirls (B-sides)



Both AKB48, SKE48, and this year NMB48 are included in the elections, including all of their KKS. Quite a few SKE girls ranked last year, so the AKB girls not only have to not only compete again their own group, but against other groups as well. This year the total number of girls is 152. But all of the songs get PV's so the Undergirls still have their own PV and songs.



If you have more questions, feel free to ask. :D

[Gerald]

[quote name='Saya' timestamp='1306877828' post='100339']

[quote name='Al Kusanagi' timestamp='1306860194' post='100308']

Is it or is it not true AKB has sub-members and rotating members that change based on popularity/singles? Because I'm getting blamed for bringing up AKB when I was pointing out that this S/mileage idea looks like a ripoff of them, not bashing them. It's when the AKB apologists start showing up that I get defensive.

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I have come to explain to you about the system of AKB48 <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... lesson.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lesson:' />



AKB48 has 3 teams. A,K, and B. Each Team with 16 members. Then they have Kenkyuusei (KKS), Research Students, who are similar of H!P Eggs, only they have a much higher chance of debuting in the group. (Some girls get kicked out or drop out). There are daily shows in the AKB theater in Akiba, different Teams on different days. They perform the same setlist for about a year, known as 'stages'. But with AKB's rising popularity not all the girls can make it to the theater, like Maeda Atsuko for example, is said to only perform in the theater about twice a year. That's when the 'sub members' come in. Those are members who take the place of someone else spot in the performance. Basically an understudy. Usually these girls are KKS, but regular members (sometimes even from different teams) can take their spot as well.



Senbatsu is basically a popularity contest. But just because a girl isn't in senbatsu doesn't mean she is any less talented. Some of AKB's best singers or dancers aren't even in senbatsu. It's really based on who management decides to push who becomes popular. While senbatsu usually decides who is in the election single, after that, it's pretty much up to management to decide after that. Like last election Oshima Yuko (my other oshi <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/wub.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' /> ) won and was center for that single, but afterwards the center returned to being Acchan (Atsuko). There are 22 girls in the election senbatsu, but after that the number goes to 16 girls, with the exception of a few singles (such as their new one Everyday Kachuusha, which has 26 girls). And the management might take a girl who ranks in lower senbatsu out of the main senbatsu and replace her with a girl that they want to push. Like Sashihara Rino ranked #19, but has been placed above #17 and #18 and always put into senbastu, while #17 and #18 were put into a kind of temporary sub group that sang the 3rd track for 2 singles. Plus it's not only AKB members in the singles, 2 girls from SKE48 are regularly in AKB singles (W Matsui, (Jurina and Rena Matsui [they aren't related, they just have the same last name]). And Everyday, Kachuusha featured 2 girls from NMB48. But really, the senbatsu members don't rotate too much unless a girl eithr graduates, gains a lot of popularity and ranks high in senbatsu, or loses fans and drops a lot.



1-12 Media Senbatsu (These are the girls who are featured on TV a lot, but some girls who aren't media senbatsu, such as Minegishi Minami (my oshi <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/wub.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' /> ) still do many media appearances, but media senbatsu are the ones who are really featured in the PV)

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13-21 Lower Senbatsu

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22-40 Undergirls (B-sides)



Both AKB48, SKE48, and this year NMB48 are included in the elections, including all of their KKS. Quite a few SKE girls ranked last year, so the AKB girls not only have to not only compete again their own group, but against other groups as well. This year the total number of girls is 152. But all of the songs get PV's so the Undergirls still have their own PV and songs.



If you have more questions, feel free to ask. :D

[/quote]

Oh well, now it's completely clear to me <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... hatthe.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whatthe:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... nfused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.



Thanks Saya for trying to explain the unexplainable.

[momoirosaya]

^It makes perfect sense when you know the group XD

[Anderei]

Just read this to know how AKB48 works:



[quote name='Saya' timestamp='1306877828' post='100339']





Senbatsu is basically a popularity contest. But just because a girl isn't in senbatsu doesn't mean she is any less talented. Some of AKB's best singers or dancers aren't even in senbatsu. It's really based on who management decides to push who becomes popular. While senbatsu usually decides who is in the election single, after that, it's pretty much up to management to decide after that. Like last election Oshima Yuko (my other oshi <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/wub.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' /> ) won and was center for that single, but afterwards the center returned to being Acchan (Atsuko). There are 22 girls in the election senbatsu, but after that the number goes to 16 girls, with the exception of a few singles (such as their new one Everyday Kachuusha, which has 26 girls). And the management might take a girl who ranks in lower senbatsu out of the main senbatsu and replace her with a girl that they want to push. Like Sashihara Rino ranked #19, but has been placed above #17 and #18 and always put into senbastu, while #17 and #18 were put into a kind of temporary sub group that sang the 3rd track for 2 singles. Plus it's not only AKB members in the singles, 2 girls from SKE48 are regularly in AKB singles (W Matsui, (Jurina and Rena Matsui [they aren't related, they just have the same last name]). And Everyday, Kachuusha featured 2 girls from NMB48. But really, the senbatsu members don't rotate too much unless a girl eithr graduates, gains a lot of popularity and ranks high in senbatsu, or loses fans and drops a lot.



1-12 Media Senbatsu (These are the girls who are featured on TV a lot, but some girls who aren't media senbatsu, such as Minegishi Minami (my oshi <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/wub.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' /> ) still do many media appearances, but media senbatsu are the ones who are really featured in the PV)

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13-21 Lower Senbatsu

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22-40 Undergirls (B-sides)





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The rest will just confuse your brain <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... lesson.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lesson:' /> It's also worth noting that the senbatsu list is pretty predictable with the exception of the last few spots.







At any rate, I don't think that they would go as far as this and have not include every girl in all the main releases. They know that everyone loves the original four and they can't be stupid enough to mess that up. I hope.

[eri]

I have another AKB question. What is SKE and such others? I thought they were a sub-unit of AKB but it seems they have totally different girls if they each have their own elections and understudies.

[Anderei]

Just another 48 group, but in a different city.



SKE48 are in Nagoya.They have two members, Matsui Jurina and Matsui Rena who usually rank in senbatsu and perform in AKB48's singles.



SDN48 is made up of women 20 years and older and they share AKB48's theater I believe.



SDN48 and SKE48's senbatsus seem to be random (with obvious girls being in it) but there might be voting.



NMB48 are brand new and are located in Osaka, but right now they're just performing old AKB48 stuff. I think they've only got one team right now and their captain was in the new AKB48 single. This is the group with the old SI☆NA member who left in 09. And they wear horrid pink leopard print that I can't approve of and I'm sure is going to be their main pattern.



They also seem to be younger than most of the other 48 groups. Although AKB48 did have a lot of younger members who've just gotten older.



And now they're getting ready for HKT48 which I believe is in Fukuoka.





They're all included in Senbatsu elections but most of the non-AKB48 girls are pretty irrelevant, with few exceptions.





OKAY GOTTA KEEP IT S/MILEAGE RELEVANT:



Think new girl will be in the upcoming single?

[eri]

Whoa. So basically, there is AKB48 with at least 40 girls (not including understudies). And soon to be 4 spin off groups with similarly large numbers (and perhaps understudies too)? So the AKB empire is like over a hundred girls present at a time??? How do fans keep track of them? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... hahaha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':hahaha:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... hahaha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':hahaha:' />





So H!P total is not even half of just the flagship AKB group.

Morning Musume = currently 9

Berryz = 7

C-ute = 5

S/mileage = 4

Mano = 1

Eggs = 8





Anyway, thank you. This has been very educational.



And no, new girl won't be part of the new single - too soon! But nothing official has been released either way.



--Edit: By the way, I was rewatching some of their old PVs. They used to look a lot older - they wore makeup and kind of trendy cloths in Ama no Jaku. Their last 2 singles were VERY "idoly" though. Hm.

[momoirosaya]

[quote name='eri' timestamp='1306886201' post='100358']

I have another AKB question. What is SKE and such others? I thought they were a sub-unit of AKB but it seems they have totally different girls if they each have their own elections and understudies.

[/quote]

<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... lesson.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lesson:' />



AKB48 also has sister groups. Like how Berryz is to Momusu.



Currently there are 3 sister groups, SKE48, SDN48, and NMB48. Also the newly made HKT48 is having auditions right now.



AKB is for AKihaBara48 and is based in Tokyo, SKE is basically AKB, but based in Nagoya, SaKaE48. Sunshine Sakae is the name of the building they perform in.



NMB48 stands for NaMBa48 and is based in Osaka. They are fairly new and just debuted last year. They have no original songs yet and only 1 team.



SDN48 stands for SaturDayNight48, and performs in the AKB theater at night. They are the more sexy group, you have be 18+ plus to get into their shows, and all their members are older of course too. Many former AKB members are in this group as well, they got too old for AKB, so they moved onto SDN.



HKT48 stands for HawKs Town hall, and is based in Fukuoka. They are currently holding auditions.



They all have their own Teams (except for SDN), members, and KKS. SKE and SDN also release singles as well. SDN just released their 2nd single a while back, and SKE is going to release their 6th one soon.



But they do not have their own elections. SKE and NMB (but not SDN) are both included in AKB elections. 2 of the most popular girls are actually from SKE. Jurina Matsui and Rena Matsui. They are in senbatsu and do media appearances with AKB, so they go back and forth from Tokyo and Nagoya a lot. But SKE's senbatsu is decided by their most popular members and who management wants to push.



Current AKB subgroups are: Watarirouka Hashiritai (known as 'Warota'), no3b (aka No Sleeves), French Kiss, Not yet, & DiVA.

DiVA and Not yet are fairly new, both being made this year. French Kiss was made last year, and no3b and Warota have both been around for about 3 or so years. These are all made with AKB members.



I could get more detailed with how SKE and AKB work together, but I will stop here <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='^_^' />





EDIT: Darnit! I was beaten again today!!!

[al kusanagi]

tl;dr







<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ohyeah.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D/' />

[Anderei]

[quote name='eri' timestamp='1306887284' post='100361']



Eggs = 8





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9 Eggs. Jang Dayeon was made an Egg earlier this year, but isn't in that magazine scan that's been circulating. Maybe they'll add HER in S/mileage.







She looks like Riho, now that I look at her more. More prominent jaw, though.



I feel like she's going to be the Jun/Lin of whatever group she may end up in, though.

[al kusanagi]

Isn't she in her 20s? Kind of old for them.

[momoirosaya]

[quote name='Al Kusanagi' timestamp='1306888762' post='100367']

Isn't she in her 20s? Kind of old for them.

[/quote]

She's only 15.

[Shoujo Q]

Yo dawgs. I don't even.... AKB needs to go get its own thread and get out of my H!P chat. I was okay with it for a bit but it's starting to dominate this whole thread. No more mention of the 48s or I'll have to lock the thread until after the auditions. And you don't want me to lock it now do you? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... pyeyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':puppyeyes:' /> I so hate to get my Mod cap on, it's itchy.

[al kusanagi]

[quote name='Saya' timestamp='1306888821' post='100368']

[quote name='Al Kusanagi' timestamp='1306888762' post='100367']

Isn't she in her 20s? Kind of old for them.

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She's only 15.

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Was there another Korean then? I seem to recall one whose profile said she was like 24.

[Ap2000]

I've been thinking that for 2 pages now, why this hasn't been moved yet.

It seems there is/was a lot to discuss, though.

[Anderei]

That might have been from the auditions, because I do remember there being some older girls. Dayeon was the 2nd youngest, and a lot of people thought that was why she won, since apparently she her singing wasn't all that great. She has a super <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... mellow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':mellow:' /> face in all of the pictures she took with Tsunku from then.



Her introducing herself.



I'm sure some audition clips are hiding somewhere.



They said the winner wouldn't end up in Morning Musume, but I feel like she's going to end up SOMEWHERE, in an attempt to pander to the Korean trend and because they don't seem to have any intentions of doing anything in actual Korean. And I wouldn't put it past them to stick her in S/mileage to try and make them more popular.





Edit: Found the Korean girl you were thinking of who was older. Shimmin.



http://www.generasia.com/wiki/Shimmin

[momoirosaya]

I don't think this has been mentioned here yet, but Uchouten LOVE is going to be a Eurobeat song, and the B-sides are their covers of Chokotto LOVE, Koi wo Shichaimashita, and Otome Pasta ni Kandou.

Disappointed that there's no original B-side. ): I really like their original B-sides and I'm not interested in hearing the covers since I already know the original songs well. :/



[quote name='Ap2000' timestamp='1306889276' post='100372']

I've been thinking that for 2 pages now, why this hasn't been moved yet.

It seems there is/was a lot to discuss, though.

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Because the posts are mostly half AKB half S/mileage, otherwise I would've moved them. Plus I don't even know if I can since I don't have authority over in that section.

[Anderei]

Hasn't Otome Pasta ni Kandou already been a b-side? It was Shortcut's b-side wasn't?

[momoirosaya]

They've all been B-sides before.



Bijin Mama had Chokotto LOVE, Short Cut had Pasta, and Booing had Shichaimashita.

[mrsross]

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Think new girl will be in the upcoming single?

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I don't think so unless they rush it. The single comes out in August. to me, the whole sub member thing sounds like a cross between Hello! Pro Egg and how they were lending Morning Musume members out to Country Musume. I don't think Ayaka, Kanon, Saki, Yuuka are going to be graduated or put of s/mileage unless they want to. So does this mean that the sub-member will?