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Time Magazine released a "25 All-Time Best Animated Films" list. The author clearly is not a connoisseur of animation. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' />:dammit:<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' />



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25. Lady and the Tramp (1955)

24. Fantastic Mr. Fox (2009)

23. Yellow Submarine (1968)

22. Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who! (2008)

21. Kung Fu Panda (2008)

20. Paprika (2007)

19. Tangled (2010)

18. The Lion King (1994)

17. Akira (1988)

16. Happy Feet (2006)

15. Wallace & Gromit in the Curse of the Were-Rabbit (2005)

14. The Adventures of Prince Achmed (1926)

13. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)

12. Toy Story (1995)

11. Toy Story 3 (2010)

10. The Little Mermaid (1989)

9. Finding Nemo (2003)

8. The Triplets of Belleville (2003)

7. Up (2009)

6. South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut (1999)

5. Spirited Away (2001)

4. Dumbo (1941)

3. The Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Movie (1979)

2. WALL-E (2008)

1. Pinocchio (1940)



Not a single Don Bluth film. Brad Bird? IGNORED. You have almost every Pixar film on there, even the horrible CARS, and you ignore him? RAGE! WHERE THE FUCK IS IRON GIANT!? WHERE! Oh, that's right, you haven't heard of it in your little circle that puts fucking HAPPY FEET on the list. CURSE WORDS INDICATING MY EXTREME DISTASTE FOR THE AUTHOR AND HIS MOTIVES GO HERE IN ALL CAPS FOR SEVERAL PARAGRAPHS.



Kung Fu Panda 2 over How to Train Your Dragon, El Dorado, or Prince of Egypt? The BB+RR movie was a series of previously made Looney Tunes shorts spliced together with short bits of new animation and doesn't deserve to be on the list of FILMS. Looney Tunes are classics in their own rights, go ahead and regulate their shorts to their own list OR pick a single short to represent.



Oh, HAPPY FEET AT SIXTEEN? I love penguins. But that movie does not deserve to be on a top 25 list of anything! I loved Tangled, but it is far from being the best "princess" film. Only ONE Miyazaki film, and it's not Totoro but the throwaway Oscar movie he got because the Oscars snubbed him like jackasses? Satoshi Kon is represented, but you put Paprika in favor of Millennium Actress, the far superior work? Yeah, sure toss a bone to the frenchies but not the Irish (yes I know it was a irish/french/belgium project) for their wonderful Secret of Kells. STOP THE BOAT. HORTON HEARS A WHO? WHAT!? WHAT! Who the fuck would put Horton Hears a Who on a top animation list? It didn't do anything for the medium! Fuck, even if you stuck to the recent films plus classics I only heard of because I did a quick google search, the secret of kells should be over horton hears a who at the very least, even though it had its own narrative problems!



Where the fuck is Beauty and the Beast? Here we have the film that got a Best Pictures nod, the film that pissed directors off so much it was included that they created the Animation Pixar catagory where shit films like Open Season can try to duke it out with whatever Pixar released that year, missing.



Don't clog up a list with entries in a series. Put them together as the trilogy they are (oh look, we left out the best film) and then rank them inside. Or, you know, pick the best one. Yellow Submarine? COME ON. That is a part of Beatles history, not top twenty five animation! Sure, I'd put it on a list, after I was done with the deserving films. Are we going to give Interstella 5555 a spot too by that criteria? That was not the best W+G film either. :| Obviously the author was paid to include certain films because I cannot think of a single animation fan that would put several of those films near the top 25 with a mile long pole. Oh god, and now they get to have "time magazine said I'm a top 25 of all time" on their spines. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ryalot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cryalot:' />



There is so much wrong here I can't even begin to stop, but I'm going to because half of you stopped reading after the list. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rofl:' /> Nothing like a little <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' /> to start your morning.
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Might as well be called "this author's favourite Disney and Pixar movies".



I also think that "cartoons" and CGi stuff should be strictly seperated.
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I wholeheartedly agree with everything Petit said in her delicious rant. I might be biased and/or uneducated in animation history, but this list is plain travesty and load of rubbish. I've seen "top whatever" lists by IMDB users with much more thought and merit to them. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/geof.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':geof:' />
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Ah well, at least he didn't put Ninja Scroll on it...
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What a ghastly list! Happy Feet? The South Park film?! HORTON HEARS A WHO!?!?!
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I'd put The Lion King higher, but I know it's just a bootleg of Kimba the White Lion. So I'd probably not even put it on this list. But I'm sure mr. I'm paid to promote these films has never heard of Kimba the White Lion.



As far as Disney goes, Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, Dumbo, and god damn Snow White. I don't care what anyone says, Snow White was the beginning of Animated full length movies and should be ranked and honored as such. Also, Fantasia should be acknowledged if only for the sheer awe of WTF am I watching and why are their no words?!



And if Pixar must be mentioned, Finding Nemo, Wall-E, and Up are the only three movies that should count for anything.



I'm surprised a stop motion animation, Fantastic Mr. Fox ranked and yet Nightmare Before Christmas never got a single mention. Hell, I'd pick James and the Giant Peach over that.



Kung Fu Panda should be nowhere on this list. I love me some panda, but even I never saw the movie until a year after it was released and it wasn't something I'd go back to either.





Oh, and WHERE THE HELL IS BAMBI!? That movie made me cry so damn much, it should have won a damn oscar for just for the damn emotional stress of it's climax.



As for Don Bluth, An American Tail, Land Before Time and The Secret of NIMH are all classics.



The Land Before Time should be mentioned for spawning about 100 sequels so you know it had to have struck a cord with someone, not me however because they are horrible shadows of their original film and also musicals. And I do detest made for video musicals.



I'd say any film that can spawn a sequel should be mentioned, but Toy Story shouldn't be needed to be mentioned twice. It's not special in any way other day introducing us to the fact that you can animate with a computer and thus turn traditional animated art into a thing of the past and thus lose something so enchanting as hand crafted works of art that enchant your eyeballs for however long the animated feature lasts. It's always been one thing I hated about CG Animation, the lost of human contact. :<
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[quote name='PKyu' timestamp='1308962308' post='102284']

I'd say any film that can spawn a sequel should be mentioned, but Toy Story shouldn't be needed to be mentioned twice. It's not special in any way other day introducing us to the fact that you can animate with a computer and thus turn traditional animated art into a thing of the past and thus lose something so enchanting as hand crafted works of art that enchant your eyeballs for however long the animated feature lasts. It's always been one thing I hated about CG Animation, the lost of human contact. :<

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Actually, what you said and what Ap mentioned earlier is true. CG and Traditional (plus stop motion) should be treated as seperate catagories.



And that's exactly how I feel about 2D animation too. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... umbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' /> When I watch 2D I feel like I'm watching art. It's amazing knowing each second is a complete drawing and it awes me. Especially the old pre-CG enhanced films. Sometimes on closeups you can see the strokes and I am just awed. It has awed me since I was a child and what made me want to become an animator (until Eisner destroyed the 2D division of Disney and my dreams). Sometimes when I watch those old films I just sit back and bask in the glory. I will cry when Miyazaki dies. It seems like he's the last person alive still wanting to further the 2D medium. And his character animations are stunning. If him and Walt lived had ever collabed on a film I would've died from happiness. CG animation does feel cold to me too. Whenever I took an animation class in high school I stayed behind for two hours one day begging my teacher to skip the 3D semester and do another of 2D instead.



As much as I liked Princess and the Frog, it was the wrong film to usher in the return of 2D Disney. It's failure probably killed whatever future they planned for it, sadly.
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SOUTH PARK?! And right above a great movie like "Up" too. What in the...



Sorry, that was the most shocking thing on the list to me. And I don't really see why something as beautifully and meticulously animated as Akira is so low compared to--oh--Happy Feet which is made with a great amount of math in a computer that's been textured to look pretty. I also admit I absolutely adore, adore, adore Spirited Away, so that makes me wonder why petit feels that Totoro is more worthy. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /ph34r.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ph34r:' /> (I also haven't seen Totoro though, and only know it's supposed to be heart-warming and universally reminiscent of childhood... which pretty much describes classic Miyazaki to me anyway.)



I admit also that I am biased, because half of those Western films I have yet to see, either from disinterest (Tangled) or just not knowing what in the world they are (Yellow Submarine), so maybe I'm too unknowledgeable to judge this list.



Also, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who had a major "wait, what?" moment at CG being combined with 2D in a ranking. To me, they are in two entirely different playing fields.
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So (since everyone is upset at this bs), why doesn't everyone post their top 10 animated films?
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South Park is a great movie, but I'd put it as a top musical rather than top animated film.
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[quote name='PKyu' timestamp='1308962308' post='102284']

And if Pixar must be mentioned, Finding Nemo, Wall-E, and Up are the only three movies that should count for anything.



Kung Fu Panda should be nowhere on this list. I love me some panda, but even I never saw the movie until a year after it was released and it wasn't something I'd go back to either.

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Up! is the only one of those Pixar movies I enjoyed. Monsters, Inc. is at the top of the list, and Finding Nemo and Wall-E are close to the bottom of my favorite animated movies. Kung Fu Panda actually came out at the same time as Wall-E, and I honestly didn't see why people didn't rave about it more. I really enjoyed it. Different tastes. Different opinions.
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[quote name='PKyu' timestamp='1308962308' post='102284']



Oh, and WHERE THE HELL IS BAMBI!? That movie made me cry so damn much, it should have won a damn oscar for just for the damn emotional stress of it's climax.

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[quote name='PKyu' timestamp='1308962308' post='102284']

Oh, and WHERE THE HELL IS BAMBI!? That movie made me cry so damn much, it should have won a damn oscar for just for the damn emotional stress of it's climax.

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[quote name='eri' timestamp='1308970113' post='102296']

So (since everyone is upset at this bs), why doesn't everyone post their top 10 animated films?

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Fuck top 10 lists, top 5 is the only true list.

(including both 3D CG animated movies, stop motion, and 2D animated. they are really the same to me)



1. My Neighbor Totoro--absolutely perfect in every fucking way, especially compared to Spirited Away which is just gaudy in comparison. the restraint and elegance with which Ghibli tells this story has yet to be equaled in basically any movie I've seen. It's in my top 5 best movies as well.

2. Nightmare before Christmas--Childhood favorite, and I love the imagination at work here, especially visually. Plus the songs are some of my favorites.

3. Land Before Time--I have to admit that I might be biased since I only say Nimh recently, but I think this is the most enjoyable Bluth movie. Truly intense and adventurous.

4. Monsters Inc.--I recently took the time to rewatch most of the Pixar movies, and to my surprise, this one held up the best for me. The story is funny and told at a wonderful pace, and the conclusive twist surprised me even though I had seen the movie before. I've got my reservations about Toy Story, Up, Wall-E, and Finding Nemo (nitpicky points though they may be), Cars was pretty average, and Ratatouille is just plain awful to me, but Monsters Inc. really stood out as an especially solid story told especially well.

5. Uhh... I kinda liked Despicable Me? Crying with laughter when I saw it. That counts for something, I think? OK, I lied, it's Perfect Blue.
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In no particular order:



Nausicaa and the Valley of the Wind

The Castle of Cagliostro

Macross Plus: Movie Edition

Summer Wars

Evangelion 2.22 you can (not) advance

The Great Mouse Detective

The Secret of NIMH

The Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Movie

The Incredibles

Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs
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No Bambi (Disney's finest film, IMNSHO) and only one Miyazaki (and not even his best) = bogus list.



Here's my top ten, ordered by year of release:



Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937, Disney)

Pinocchio (1940, Disney)

Fantasia (1940, Disney)

Bambi (1942, Disney)

Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (1984, Miyazaki)

Laputa: Castle in the Sky (1986, Miyazaki)

My Neighbor Totoro (1988, Miyazaki)

Kiki's Delivery Service (1989, Miyazaki)

Whisper of the Heart (1995, Studio Ghibli)

Princess Mononoke (1997, Miyazaki)
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See, an animated film imo has to take advantage of its medium. While most Ghibli movies are wonderful as movies, they don't really do things for me visually. Like Whispers of the Heart is actually my favorite Ghibli film. It is understated, complex, with no reliance on cutesy animals or gag humor or weird characters. But, there is nothing interesting about it visually. Same goes for the lovely "Girl Who Leapt Through Time."



That being said,

I'd put as my top 5:



-Snow White

-Kiki's Delivery Service

-Tenshi no Tamago

-Fantasia

-Nightmare before Christmas

I also really really like Makoto Shinkai's "Girl and her cat" short.

All are good stories (plot, characters, etc) and take advantage of the freedom of animation. I guess Spirited Away deserves a nod but I never feel like watching it, whereas I've seen Kiki like a billion times and don't tire of it.



Visually, I also like Paprika, Dumbo, and Sleeping Beauty but storywise those films unravel quickly. Pixar has visually beautiful movies but outside of Up, I forget them rather quickly. I can barely remember the plot for Wall-E and I thought Ratatouille was disgusting. Same applies for Akira.



Since we're counting stop motion, Jan Svankmajer's Alice is probably up there and for nostalgia, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. The other day I also saw the most bizarre stop-motion called Blood Tea and Red String. Watch it if you want nightmares <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... deways.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sideways:' />
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[quote name='eri' timestamp='1309196986' post='102474']

See, an animated film imo has to take advantage of its medium. While most Ghibli movies are wonderful as movies, they don't really do things for me visually. Like Whispers of the Heart is actually my favorite Ghibli film. It is understated, complex, with no reliance on cutesy animals or gag humor or weird characters. But, there is nothing interesting about it visually. Same goes for the lovely "Girl Who Leapt Through Time."

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Uh-oh. Film studies debate time. While I agree with you on THE GIRL WHO LEAPT THROUGH TIME, I woudn't apply that criticism to the Ghibli movies. Look at TOTORO and its rich, lush, carefully wrought depiction of nature in this farming community, particularly all the insects buzzing around and that massive camphor tree and the visual marvel that is Totoro himself. WHISPER OF THE HEART recreates a modern spanking new suburb with its twisting asphalt roads and the textures and designs of its public and private spaces (the school library, the ball field, the cramped apartment, the train, the breathtaking antique shop--those statues!--and most important--the way the characters move! I find all of this as visually exciting as anything in Disney. And, continuing with Miyazaki--what about the subterranean spots of devastation where the insects thrive and where Nausicaa and her male friend are trapped for a spell? Or the living forest in MONONOKE and masses of kodama and the emergence of the shikigami? Are not those elements visually stunning? And the wolves' race through the forests. Or the aerial scenes in PORCO ROSSO. Or Kiki's arrival flying over the town in KIKI? Etc. etc. etc.



And the fact that the youngest children can sit and watch a Miyazaki film totally transfixed, even if it's in Japanese, should tell you something about the films' visual power.





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Uh-oh. Film studies debate time. While I agree with you on THE GIRL WHO LEAPT THROUGH TIME, I woudn't apply that criticism to the Ghibli movies. Look at TOTORO and its rich, lush, carefully wrought depiction of nature in this farming community, particularly all the insects buzzing around and that massive camphor tree and the visual marvel that is Totoro himself. ....Nausicaa and her male friend are trapped for a spell? Or the living forest in MONONOKE and masses of kodama and the emergence of the shikigami? Are not those elements visually stunning? And the wolves' race through the forests. ...Or Kiki's arrival flying over the town in KIKI? Etc. etc. etc.

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Oh no, I agree with you on those points. His other movies - most of the ones you mentioned - really take advantage of the possibilities afforded by animation. For example, Ponyo or Spirited Away, as you noted.



Except, being "realistic" with nice attention to detail --as in Whispers of the Heart -- does not equal creativity with its medium. The same film could have been done live action as long as the director had the same eye for things. This is why I feel like The Girl Who Leapt Through Time doesn't take advantage of its unique medium -- it might as well have been filmed live action. How boring. It is nothing like psychedelic elephants or the whirlwinds of Fantasia or even Kiki flying over her Mediterranean-esque seaport village or dancing singing plates like in Beauty and the Beast (not on my top list though).



Totoro is a good movie but it is still visually uninteresting to me. It has great nostalgic value but it comes off to me as another "cute animal" cartoon movie. Aside from the whatsitcalled (black spot things), it actually reminds me of Winnie the Pooh.



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I'm wary to post any sort of a list because I know I'm not familiar with many important pieces, and I'm biased towards anime... But for what it's worth, trying hard not to make it "Miyazaki and the honourable mentions" kind of a thing:



Fritz the Cat - because Bakshi definitely deserves a spot on this list

Toy Story - for being the first blah blah

Wall-E - for breaking the narrative and stylistic cliches in a not cliched way

Nausicaa

Totoro

Ponyo - for giving me the chills for the first time in a long time. There, I'm done with Ghibli now.

Tenshi no Tamago - glad I'm not the only one who thought about it!

Akira

End of Evangelion - for the total utter and unmatched mindrape it was. Too bad it doesn't really stand alone apart of the series.

Ghost in the Shell - for the technical excellence and maturity

Millennium Actress

Voices of a Distant Star



That's off the top of my head in no particular order. Probably missing some, but if I started looking for them deeper I know I'd just clutter the list with massive nostalgia blast.
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Oh yeahhh Voices of a Distant Star! Makoto Shinkai is coming to Otakon this year <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... nceman.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':danceman:' />



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Any top list would be difficult for me to number...Plus I'm not very fond of 3D animation as an art, so the list would be biased to 2D and stop motion. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ryalot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cryalot:' /> I'll think about it and try though...
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This would be the other Satoshi Kon movie I'd consider putting in my list. Really wonderful stuff.
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Millennium Actress

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This would be the other Satoshi Kon movie I'd consider putting in my list. Really wonderful stuff.

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So which is the other Satoshi Kon movie you'd consider? The one that's not MILLENNIUM ACTRESS.



TOKYO GODFATHERS, I hope.
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