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Amazon unveiled their new line of Kindles. The Fire is an Android-based 7" LCD (IPS) touch screen tablet. It will be $200 for WiFi only (it is presumed there is no Offers version). It will be powered by an unconfirmed dual-core processor. It will give you unlimited Amazon Cloud Storage for Amazon content (video, books, music, apps). 8GB of local storage. No camera or microphone. They are saying it could have 7.5-8 hours of battery usage. The Fire will use Amazon's appstore (not Google's App Market) and will have apps curated specifically for the Fire. It will come with 30 days of free Amazon Prime. It will have its own email client, document reader, and browser hinting that it will not include any Google Apps.



Along with the Fire, Amazon shuffled the Kindle brand. The older Kindles with keyboards are now 'Kindle Keyboard.' There are now two new Kindle models, the 'Kindle' and 'Kindle Touch,' a multi-touch e-ink reader. The new 'Kindle' will not have a keyboard or audio out and will be $79 with Offers ($109 ad-free). 'Kindle Touch' is $99 with Offers ($139 ad-free).



Amazon also unveiled Silk, a browser that uses Amazon's cloud computing EC2 system to fully render web pages to speed up browsing times. It is only confirmed for the Silk at the moment. Silk is built on WebKit.
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Looks like this christmas everyone will be getting the tablets. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... umbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' /> Actually, I dunno. I'd have to see more and see if this "amazon" exclusive is utter BS. Prime video would be awesome but not everyone has prime. Netflix may not be on their either since they would want people to use Prime video. THANK GOD NO EFFING MIC AND CAMERA I can't stand that BS invading my electronics I want it for that reason alone!



I hate ipads because of being tied to apple, I don't want the same for amazon even though it's my favorite online store and I use it for practically everything. Especially the "e-mail" (fuck you) and "browser" (fuck you). Even if something is "the best" I want the choice dammit!

but....Low tier tablets would make great gifts this christmas! I was thinking of getting everyone asus transformers but now this is better (assuming they ever come into stock) from a price point standpoint



Cheap kindle is nice too, I wonder who I could gift that to...Maybe an aunt or something. I dunno if my little cousin reads a lot or not...I guess I'll ask my aunt lulz though he'd probably love me more if I bought him action figures/vidya games.



I like the "keyboard" kindles because of the lack of touchscreen. I can't stand fingerprints and accidently touching the screen and throwing something off BAH.
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I got the last gen kindle (kindle keyboard now, I guess) last December, and it's been worth it for me. The new Kindle Touch looks neat, and even though navigating with the keyboard is a pain, it's not that worth it for me to upgrade. I'll wait until the second gen when they work out the bugs.



They hit a really nice price point and feature set, though. They finally went below the magical $100 price point! These are going to take off and be so popular, good for them.
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Oh, I forgot to point out that there are a lot of rumors/speculations/"confirmations" that these versions of Fire are stop-gap products to get the product to market before Holidays with a revised model in Q1. It could possibly be a 10 inch model or a model with 3G access (free? maybe)
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Forgive my ignorance, but put into basics (Cause I'm pretty basic when it comes to technology), what's the different between this new Fire version and the Nook from Barnes and Noble?
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I haven't read too much about it yet, as I usually lag a few days in tech news. But from what I've seen so far:



- Cheaper.

- Access to Amazon's Kindle book selection, which I assume to be bigger than Nook's.

- Access to Amazon's video and music catalog, either to purchase or stream.

- Access to Amazon's cloud storage instead of being limited to just the device storage.

- I never really understood this, but apparently nook apps have to be specially made for it, so there aren't very many. The Kindle Fire will be able to load most regular Android apps, so it'll have way more.
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I recently got an iPad a few months ago, and it has wrapped up so many of my gaming, computing, ebook, tablet, and computing needs so well and put a big pretty bow on top, as most Apple products do. The success of the device is making so many other companites nearly just emulate what Apple did and try to find ways to nudge themselves into the market, and others completely drop out (see: Hewlett Packard.) Its really interesting to watch this market develop and see which competitors will enter the arena and how.



I'm not a huge Apple fanboy, but I can't be more truthful in expressing the general satisfaction I've had with their products for the last 2 years since I really became a steady user of their products. Truth be told, in Jailbreaking an iDevice nowadays, it gives you access to basically anything that Android or other mobile/tablet services have to offer on top of also being able to access all the exclusive things that Apple has to offer, for little or no price. You're not "tied to Apple" anymore, as I've heard many people say. Downplay as you will, but some of the exclusive apps that Apple offers are so powerful and useful that they literally begin to make other mobile products obsolete. Sure, the price is a little bit high, but the practicality and usefulness that I've gotten from the iPad basically replaced my need to buy a laptop, tablet, or any kind of e-book reader device and will surely do so for the next few years at least. The i2 processor in the iPad 2 is already more powerful than the processor in my fairly up-to-date PC, and it runs detailed HD games flawlessly and makes web browsing and social networking needs almost instant. I can't imagine what more upgrades could really to for practical use any time in the near future. I opted for the cheapest, smallest space model available, and have loaded it with just about every app I can think of and still haven't even used half of the drive. I'm not cramming it full of music and HD videos because I really just save that for when I'm at home or use my iPhone for music, besides that I really don't enjoy watching videos on-the-go anyway. Books usually range from anywhere between 500kb to 3mb at most, unless you're downloading hundreds of comic books or something, so you could literally just have thousands of books on even one of the smallest capacity drives out there and not need anything else.



It looks like Amazon is really trying to take a price standpoint for competition, since the other services and features they tout really don't do much to trump what is already available on the market. I find cloud storage has pretty limited usability, and is hard to see as very much of a point of competition.
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[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' timestamp='1317304014' post='109227']

I'm not a huge Apple fanboy, but I can't be more truthful in expressing the general satisfaction I've had with their products for the last 2 years since I really became a steady user of their products. Truth be told, in Jailbreaking an iDevice nowadays, it gives you access to basically anything that Android or other mobile/tablet services have to offer on top of also being able to access all the exclusive things that Apple has to offer, for little or no price.[/quote]



How many people of the general population will do that?
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[quote name='Petit Melon' timestamp='1317332898' post='109262']

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' timestamp='1317304014' post='109227']

I'm not a huge Apple fanboy, but I can't be more truthful in expressing the general satisfaction I've had with their products for the last 2 years since I really became a steady user of their products. Truth be told, in Jailbreaking an iDevice nowadays, it gives you access to basically anything that Android or other mobile/tablet services have to offer on top of also being able to access all the exclusive things that Apple has to offer, for little or no price.[/quote]



How many people of the general population will do that?

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Not sure how this relates to what we're talking about, and don't know the answer, but it is simply a process that involves typing a simple web address into your browser and pushing a button on the page, then the process is done. Its not rocket science or new-age hacking techniques, its been made as simple as possible.
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[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' timestamp='1317304014' post='109227']Stuff[/quote]

Nicely written.



I guess this is just a personal preference thing, but I'll still recommend a kindle (or any e-ink) for serious book reading. I have both an iPad and Kindle, and one doesn't replace the other.



[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' timestamp='1317304014' post='109227']It looks like Amazon is really trying to take a price standpoint for competition, since the other services and features they tout really don't do much to trump what is already available on the market. I find cloud storage has pretty limited usability, and is hard to see as very much of a point of competition.[/quote]

Price is just one of the features. The access to Amazon's media catalog is pretty huge, too. Taking just a price standpoint would've meant copying the iPad and just doing it at a lower price.



[quote name='Petit Melon' timestamp='1317332898' post='109262']How many people of the general population will do that?[/quote]

It's not a matter of having everyone who owns one do it, but rather just the people who bring up the walled garden as a strike against the iProducts.

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' timestamp='1317336405' post='109269']Not sure how this relates to what we're talking about, and don't know the answer, but it is simply a process that involves typing a simple web address into your browser and pushing a button on the page, then the process is done. Its not rocket science or new-age hacking techniques, its been made as simple as possible.[/quote]

Petit has a point, though. No matter how simple it is, most people won't do it just because it's unauthorized and they fear that something could go wrong. But as I said in my reply to her, I think anyone who complains about being "tied to Apple" can and should jailbreak it, and if they're complaining about it then they won't fall into this category of being afraid to do it.
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I love my iphone and ipod, and I'm totally over owning physical copies of music, but I can't give up books. My mom has a Kindle and it's okay, but I could only see using one as a backup or for putting game related books on.
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I guess this is just a personal preference thing, but I'll still recommend a kindle (or any e-ink) for serious book reading. I have both an iPad and Kindle, and one doesn't replace the other.
What exactly are the benefits of an "e-ink" as opposed to another, all-encompassing device like iPad? Maybe I just don't know enough about Kindles and stuff to know, but I can't really think of any benefits that would make me carry around 2 different devices at one time when one does the same as the other plus more. Maybe just that most readers are much smaller than the iPad? That's all that comes to mind.




It looks like Amazon is really trying to take a price standpoint for competition, since the other services and features they tout really don't do much to trump what is already available on the market. I find cloud storage has pretty limited usability, and is hard to see as very much of a point of competition.
Price is just one of the features. The access to Amazon's media catalog is pretty huge, too. Taking just a price standpoint would've meant copying the iPad and just doing it at a lower price.
I guess you're right, if you're talking about books, cause Amazon does have more books than the Apple book store, and maybe more old movies than iTunes, but iTunes has most of the exact same music, (new) movies, and TV shows as Amazon. I guess its hard to relate the importance of a video catalog for me because of how much I dislike mobile video-watching.


Not sure how this relates to what we're talking about, and don't know the answer, but it is simply a process that involves typing a simple web address into your browser and pushing a button on the page, then the process is done. Its not rocket science or new-age hacking techniques, its been made as simple as possible.
Petit has a point, though. No matter how simple it is, most people won't do it just because it's unauthorized and they fear that something could go wrong. But as I said in my reply to her, I think anyone who complains about being "tied to Apple" can and should jailbreak it, and if they're complaining about it then they won't fall into this category of being afraid to do it.
This is fairly true, though I have met a lot of people who I'd never expect to Jailbreak a device do it anyway or have a friend do it just because of the benefits they were told about, and not necessarily because they're anti-Apple.



I love my iphone and ipod, and I'm totally over owning physical copies of music, but I can't give up books. My mom has a Kindle and it's okay, but I could only see using one as a backup or for putting game related books on.
See, I find it rather opposite. Even though I own many books, its because there really was no other alternative at the time, but just like how eventually most movies ever made have found their way onto DVD over time, a large, large amount of books (at least anything remotely noteworthy or popular) are finding their way to a digital format, and I find reading books off of a device far more easy on my eyes and much more convenient than having to hold open the pages of a bound book for hours at a time. By "game related books" do you mean like strategy guides or novels based on game universes? Just curious, as I've been getting into a few series of game-based novels like Resident Evil and Doom, and have been thinking about looking at the few Elder Scrolls books.
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[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' timestamp='1317380594' post='109306']

[quote name='sadude' timestamp='1317353139' post='109281']

I guess this is just a personal preference thing, but I'll still recommend a kindle (or any e-ink) for serious book reading. I have both an iPad and Kindle, and one doesn't replace the other.[/quote]

What exactly are the benefits of an "e-ink" as opposed to another, all-encompassing device like iPad? Maybe I just don't know enough about Kindles and stuff to know, but I can't really think of any benefits that would make me carry around 2 different devices at one time when one does the same as the other plus more. Maybe just that most readers are much smaller than the iPad? That's all that comes to mind.

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E-ink devices use an insanely smaller amount of power versus LCD screens. E-ink only refreshes the screen when something on screen changes, so since they don't use any motion graphics, the screen refreshes a lot less than LCD. The battery life on e-ink Kindles is rated at one month (3 weeks if you keep wi-fi on constantly). Also, the material properties of e-ink make it more akin to a paper page than LCD screen, so it is read easier in bright light situations and easier on the eyes in low-light situations. On the other hand, it is tough to read in no-light situations, but reading anything, LCD or e-ink, in no-/extremely-low-light is pretty bad on your eyes anyway. Some of the models also let you store music and/or audiobooks (including Audible books). It's much more niche-specific than an iPad, and in the arena of reading-only devices, I think the Kindle take the cake.
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[quote name='neshcom' timestamp='1317389806' post='109313']

E-ink devices use an insanely smaller amount of power versus LCD screens. E-ink only refreshes the screen when something on screen changes, so since they don't use any motion graphics, the screen refreshes a lot less than LCD. The battery life on e-ink Kindles is rated at one month (3 weeks if you keep wi-fi on constantly). Also, the material properties of e-ink make it more akin to a paper page than LCD screen, so it is read easier in bright light situations and easier on the eyes in low-light situations. On the other hand, it is tough to read in no-light situations, but reading anything, LCD or e-ink, in no-/extremely-low-light is pretty bad on your eyes anyway. Some of the models also let you store music and/or audiobooks (including Audible books). It's much more niche-specific than an iPad, and in the arena of reading-only devices, I think the Kindle take the cake.

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I guess none of those things really even begin to enter into the picture for me. At low-brightness settings (more than sufficient for book reading,) the iPad lasts over 10 hours (or about a week or so in sleep mode,) which is far more than I will ever be reading anything in one session. I've seen the screen in action on a Kindle, and while it is pretty unique, I don't think it does anything for actual practicality of reading, in my experience. Of course, the thing about music and audio books doesn't really mean much either, as most other devices on the market now do that as well. And all in all, I guess I'm really not a very avid reader. I might whip out a book on my break or lunch at work a few times a week, but other than that, I'm far too occupied with other things to spend large chunks of time on reading.



I also looked at Amazon's advertising for the Fire and it more or less just looks like a touch screen kindle with a full color screen, ability to have some apps, and web browsing, but other than that, its still just a Kindle at heart. Definitely not my cup of tea, but I'm sure they have their own loyal customers with these things, as well, like business people who are constantly traveling against their own will and people who have shit tons of free time on public transportation or otherwise.
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I've got a Kindle (Keyboard), iPod Touch 4G and Asus eee pad transformer and each has its own purpose.



I use the Kindle for books where it is generally superb, my only complaint is that it's limited for books that have illustrations, you seem to get either some that the original book has or none at all which is annoying when the book refers you to a picture.



iPod for music and apps, generally excellent at what it does. It's expensive but probably worth it for all it can do.



Asus: videos, browsing, Android apps. I wanted a bigger screen than the iPod for watching videos away from my PC. I decided against an iPad as it's just a larger iPod and it's limited to 64Gb. Although the Asus only has 32Gb built in if you have the keyboard it has 2 USB ports and a card reader so I have a 32Gb card permanently installed plus a small portable 130Gb hard drive. It's a bit heavier with the keyboard but not excessive, the Android apps are more limited but more and more stuff is coming out all the time and I have about 40 installed.



Given that I have the Kindle app installed on the Asus I can't see any advantage to the Kindle Fire although I haven't read full details about it yet.



Having said that, at the apparent price being charged I would probably get one and pass my old Kindle on to somebody. I keep trying to get my mother to try it but she prefers books with pages she can turn and since she gets most of her books from the library it wouldn't really make economic sense.



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I think this thread is pretty clear demonstration that most of anything in this industry really comes down to with your personal preference and lifestyle, cause pretty much everything that Turtle and basically everyone else in here has posted is very opposite of what I want and need from my mobile devices. This thread is now more interesting in just comparing people's preferences. Please continue.
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They haven't even said what version of Android they're running, have they? I guess I can safely assume it's 3.0, but that is FAR from mature at this point. I wouldn't go for an android pad thing until at least 4.0 has been released. As an owner of an Android phone (can't use a phone without a keyboard), I would warn anybody against anything Android for now unless you're willing and able to root. The code is just horribly inefficient and buggy, and the UI is pretty shaky as well (although with the magic of Matias Duarte this may soon change).



The touch version seems a bit interesting at least. E-ink is the only way to read anything of any length on a screen, so that might be more up my alley, especially for newspapers. But I have no idea if Dutch newspapers are even available on the Kindle, and can't seem to find any information about it, so I'm just a bit skeptical.
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They haven't even said what version of Android they're running, have they? I guess I can safely assume it's 3.0, but that is FAR from mature at this point.

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It is running a very heavily modified version of Android, but the specific version hasn't been released.
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I have a keyboard kindle. I like it. I have to look at a computer for work 12 hours a day. I don't want to look at another LCD screen to read. I don't ever read in low light so that's not a problem. I won't upgrade until my current kindle hits the dust. It does have a couple of dead spots (I don't know how the hell they appeared but they're there) but it's nothing that has hampered my reading so it doesn't matter. I have 2 ipod classics. My computer is pretty old and has limited HD space, so I use them as storage mechanisms for my music with the bonus of being able to hear it anywhere. Movies and the like will go on my external, though I need another one of those too (>_>) My phone runs android and I like to download PVs I like and watch them in my spare time at work. My bf has an iphone but I just couldn't like it after playing around with it for a day so I don't think I'd ever get the ipod touch (wow amazon's tablet will be cheaper than those! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... hatthe.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whatthe:' /> ) . I hate touchscreen games and I have a PSP and DS for "real" gaming when I want it. :P I want to get the asus transformer, but I heard they're upgrading it or putting a new one out so I'm waiting to see what that one's like before I grab it.

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Yeah I usually carry a tote bag also, so I'm not worried about that. I honestly think the touch would be great for loading in a newspaper in the morning and reading it on the train. But of course that depends heavily on whether I can get the newspapers I wanna read on it... Actually on that subject, how would a website like http://www.geenstijl.nl/ render on a Kindle? How does that work exactly? Or does it have some kinda RSS reader function that you can use?



Also I just saw that it won't have the Market, which is kinda crap in my opinion. I've bought stuff on there, it'd be nice if I could use it...
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Also I just saw that it won't have the Market, which is kinda crap in my opinion. I've bought stuff on there, it'd be nice if I could use it...

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It will have Amazon's AppStore, but it will be a curated selection (probably based on what's compatible with the version of Android and the size).
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[quote name='///' timestamp='1317452650' post='109387']Actually on that subject, how would a website like http://www.geenstijl.nl/ render on a Kindle? How does that work exactly? Or does it have some kinda RSS reader function that you can use?[/quote]

There's an open source program called Calibre which... hold on, I posted about this before...

[quote name='sadude' timestamp='1298437993' post='94123'][...]

And certain news articles, I've been using calibre.



Go get calibre to manage your ebooks. Even if you don't use it to actually manage your ebooks, it has a great feature where you can pick one of the hundreds of pre-defined sites (including ones in Japanese and other languages), and it'll download articles from that site and format them for your e-book reader. It even works for some subcription sites, too! Meaning, if you're a subscriber, it logs in with your info and gets the content for you.



Amazon released a firmware update for the Kindle recently which improves the newspaper-style navigation, too, which now makes this an absolute joy to read.



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You can also set it to download from an RSS feed, though I haven't tried that feature yet.
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