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Meikochi · Post by **Meikochi** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:34 pm

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Dang AKB isn’t on that list. They’ve really fallen down. Not that I really care, I stopped following them in 2012.</blockquote>
I've gotten the impression that the 48 groups are really struggling to sell concert tickets. Although the way this list works means they barely did any concerts at all.</blockquote>

Even theater ones ? I mean, with a performance every day + a few concerts through the year, they should have ended up somewhere on the list.

Anderei · Post by **Anderei** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:43 am

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Dang AKB isn’t on that list. They’ve really fallen down. Not that I really care, I stopped following them in 2012.</blockquote>
I've gotten the impression that the 48 groups are really struggling to sell concert tickets. Although the way this list works means they barely did any concerts at all.</blockquote>

Even theater ones ? I mean, with a performance every day + a few concerts through the year, they should have ended up somewhere on the list.</blockquote>

They don't have theater performances daily. And I'm not sure those would have counted on this list.

WonderBuono · Post by **WonderBuono** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:02 am

Random trivia: just realized that 2017 had the second largest number of (non-Kenshuusei) graduations/departures, with 10 members leaving; second only to 2009 (which was 26 iirc thanks to Elder Club so pretty unbeatable).

Madara · Post by **Madara** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:28 pm

Second order from CDJapan in a row where the package got here (NYC) a week after shipping from Japan. That's great! I can now time it (as I did today) to be home when the package arrives because the way they package 3 DVDs now requires a bigger box than it used to and it no longer fits in my (large) mailbox, so the mailman has to bring it up to my apartment.

The order I got today includes the H!P Summer 2017 concert, the Buono 2017 concert, and something I'd overlooked two years ago--the final Berryz concert.

Next order: MM's new album and the Petit Best 18 releases.

Zoe · Post by **Zoe** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:33 am

Meh, the setlist for Haruka's graduation kinda sucked. I hope we get a release of the first Budokan date too.

DonJuan · Post by **DonJuan** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:52 am

Yeah, considering so many setlist changes it would be best if they released something like a best of of several shows.

pharbron · Post by **pharbron** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:52 pm

And now for some Morning Musume status post Kudo Haruka graduation:

Age at graduating from Morning Musume oldest to youngest, current members as of 2017-12-11:

1. Nakazawa Yuko at graduation was 27 years, 9 months, 27 days old
2. Michishige Sayumi at graduation was 25 years, 4 months, 13 days old
3. Takahashi Ai at graduatiion was 25 years, 16 days old
4. Niigaki Risa at graduation was 23 years, 6 months, 28 days old
5. Tanaka Reina at graduation was 23 years, 6 months, 10 days old
6. Iida Kaori at graduation was 23 years, 5 months, 22 days old
7. Iikubo Haruna as of 2017-12-11 is 23 years, 1 month, 4 days old
8. Li Chun at graduation was 22 years, 10 months, 4 days old
9. Abe Natsumi at graduation was 22 years, 5 months, 15 days old
10. Yasuda Kei at graduation was 22 years, 4 months, 29 days old
11. Fujimoto Miki at resignation was 22 years, 3 months, 26 days old
12. Yaguchi Mari at resignation was 22 years, 2 months, 25 days old
13. Yoshizawa Hitomi at graduation was 22 years, 24 days old
14. Kamei Eri at graduation was 21 years, 11 months, 22 days old
15. Ishiguro Aya at graduation was 21 years, 7 months, 26 days old
16. Fukumura Mizuki as of 2017-12-11 is 21 years, 1 month, 11 days old
17. Ishida Ayumi as of 2017-12-11 is 20 years, 11 months, 4 days old
18. Ikuta Erina as of 2017-12-11 is 20 years, 5 months, 4 days old
19. Ishikawa Rika at graduation was 20 years, 3 months, 18 days old
20. Qian Lin at graduation was 19 years, 9 months, 4 days old
21. Konno Asami at graduation was 19 years, 4 months, 16 days old
22. Mitsui Aika at graduation was 19 years, 4 months, 6 days old
23. Ogawa Makoto at graduation was 18 years, 9 months, 29 days old
24. Ogata Haruna as of 2017-12-11 is 18 years, 9 months, 26 days
25. Oda Sakura as of 2017-12-11 is 18 years, 8 months, 29 days old
26. Sato Masaki as of 2017-12-11 is 18 years, 7 months, 4 days old
27. Nonaka Miki as of 2017-12-11 is 18 years, 2 months, 4 days
28. Kudo Haruka at graduation was 18 years, 1 month, 14 days old
29. Kaga Kaede as of 2017-12-11 is 18 years, 11 days old
30. Suzuki Kanon at graduation was 17 years, 9 months, 26 days old
31. Morito Chisaki as of 2017-12-11 is 17 years, 9 months, 22 days old
32. Sayashi Riho at graduating was 17 years, 7 months, 3 days old
33. Kusumi Koharu at graduation was 17 years, 4 months, 21 days old
34. Tsuji Nozomi at graduation was 17 years, 1 month, 15 days old
35. Goto Maki at graduation was 17 years old
36. Makino Maria as of 2017-12-11 is 16 years, 10 months, 9 days old
37. Yokoyama Reina as of 2017-12-11 is 16 years, 9 months, 19 days old
38. Kago Ai at graduation was 16 years, 5 months, 25 days old
39. Ichii Sayaka at graduation was 16 years, 4 months, 20 days old
40. Haga Akane as of 2017-12-11 is 15 years, 9 months, 4 days old
41. Fukuda Asuka at graduation was 14 years, 4 months, 1 day old

The average age of the group rose from 18.286 to 18.308.

The new 13 member lineup becomes the 39th lineup. The previous 14 member lineup (14th Gen to Kudo Haruka graduation) with 1 single ends at 5 months, 16 days and is the 18th longest lineup.

Tueesday, December 12 2017, the day after Kudo Haruka’s graduation, Iikubo Haruna, Ishida Ayumi, and Sato Maskai pass her on the Morning Musume tenure list. Duu ends up at 15th:

1. Michishige Sayumi is at 11 years, 10 months, 7 days
2. Niigaki Risa is at 10 years, 8 months, 22 days
3. Tanaka Reina is at 10 years, 4 months, 2 days
4. Takahashi Ai is at 10 years, 1 month, 4 days
5. Kamei Eri is at 7 years, 10 months, 26 days
6. Iida Kaori is at 7 years, 4 months, 23 days
7. Yoshizawa Hitomi is at 7 years, 20 days
8. Yaguchi Mari is at 6 years, 11 months, 11 days
9. Fukumura Mizuki and Ikuta Erina are at 6 years, 11 months, 10 days
11. Abe Natsumi is at 6 years, 4 months, 18 days
12. Iikubo Haruna, Ishida Ayumi and Sato Masaki are at 6 years, 2 months, 13 days
15. Kudo Haruka is at 6 years, 2 months, 12 days
16. Mitsui Aika is at 5 years, 5 months, 8 days
17. Suzuki Kanon is at 5 years, 4 months, 29 days
18. Oda Sakura is at 5 years, 2 months, 28 days
19. Ishikawa Rika is at 5 years, 21 days
20. Yasuda Kei is at 5 years, 2 days
21. Ogawa Makoto is at 5 years, 1 day
22. Sayashi Riho is at 4 years, 11 months, 29 days
22. Konno Asami is at 4 years, 10 months, 27 days
24. Kusumi Koharu is at 4 years, 7 months, 5 days
25. Fujimoto Miki is at 4 years, 4 months, 13 days
26. Tsuji Nozomi and Kago Ai are at 4 years, 3 months, 16 days
28. Li Chun and Qian Lin are at 3 years, 9 months
30. Nakazawa Yuko is at 3 years, 7 months, 8 days
31. Ogata Haruna, Nonaka Miki, Makino Marina and Haga Akane are at 3 years, 2 months, 12 days
35. Goto Maki is at 3 years, 1 month, 1 day
36. Ishiguro Aya is at 2 years, 4 months
37. Ichii Sayaka is at 2 years, 18 days
38. Fukuda Asuka is at 1 year, 7 months, 11 days
39. Kaga Kaede and Yokoyama Reina are at 1 year
41. Morito Chisaki is at 5 months, 16 days

This also means that the Juukies end their run as the longest complete generation in Morning Musume history at 6 years, 2 months and 12 days.

Duh of course still holds the record as the youngest ever to join at 11 years, 11 months and 2 days.

Anderei · Post by **Anderei** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:32 pm

Holy hell, has it really been that long since 9th and 10th gen joined? Wtf?

arcobaleno · Post by **arcobaleno** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:07 pm

Wow, I can't believe Mizuki and Erina are about to pass up Mari's tenure. Damn, time flies.

Anderei · Post by **Anderei** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:46 pm

Even if one of them announced grad today, they're still gonna beat Kaori. Somebody in 10th gen (my money is on Ayumi) probably will too.

Farrah · Post by **Farrah** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:45 am

It's amazing how little impact 9th gen have had considering the length of their tenure. I think we've discussed this before but it still blows my mind. When I think "Morning Musume" I still don't instantly think of any of these girls, even if I do like some of their songs.

momoirosaya · Post by **momoirosaya** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:09 am

Sayashi had a really big impact on Momusu.

Madara · Post by **Madara** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:35 am

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It's amazing how little impact 9th gen have had considering the length of their tenure. I think we've discussed this before but it still blows my mind. When I think "Morning Musume" I still don't instantly think of any of these girls, even if I do like some of their songs.
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Sorry, but I strongly disagree. I've always said that 9th Gen was the best thing to happen to MM since 4th Gen. They re-energized the group after an extremely static period following the Yossie/Miki exit. They were down to five girls when 9th Gen joined, remember?! Riho remains my all-time favorite member. And I absolutely love Mizuki and Erina and relish every moment they're on camera in an MM concert. Mizuki's been a great leader, no easy task with a group that went up to 14 girls this year (now back down to 13, of course). I don't know who among the current members would be anywhere near as hard-working and generous a leader as Mizuki's been. Sometimes you can see the strain, but it hasn't been obvious lately. And most of my favorite MM concerts have come from the last three years.

Farrah · Post by **Farrah** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:54 am

9th gen energized things simply as a byproduct of being new after years and years and years of Platinum era's lineup imo. The actual individual girls really had very little presence to me... even Riho, despite H!P's constant efforts to push her as a front girl (I think she got a more aggressive push than pretty much anyone since Nacchi really...) has never made any distinct impression on me. Even though I was a fan the whole time she was in the group, I can only even recollect a vague impression of her face in my mind lol.

I don't know... when you say Morning Musume the picture most likely to pop into my mind is probably the time period right after 6th gen was added, when they had a million members. I'm not sure why but I guess in a way, that line up encapsulated everything I like about idol groups - almost every single member just had such a distinct vibe, aura, presence, whatever you want to call it. The worst era for me is probably around 2006 or 2008, the time period right after all the iconic 1st-4th gen members had left and Platinum era hadn't begun yet.

Anderei · Post by **Anderei** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:41 am

Yeah, I think you have to look at it a different way. If they had joined right after another gen would you have been as impressed by them.

To be fair, less opportunities though. Most tv shows, magazines, etc. aren't interest in them and management did their best to make sure the few that were weren't that interesting because every front girl they've picked from 9th gen on has been a total wet blanket off stage. Riho's biggest solo appearance was literally her showing off her PEN collection, Ayumi is somewhat more enthusiastic but not terribly funny or interesting, Sakura is just a singer, Maria's big thing is that she likes baseball, etc. That and people just don't want idols for stuff like they did five years ago.

Unless you're really impressed by them on stage, this lineup has nothing to offer.

momoirosaya · Post by **momoirosaya** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:53 am

MM’14 is probably one of my Top 3 lineups so I have to disagree.

Zoe · Post by **Zoe** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:45 pm

I think ever since the 9th gen joined, the MM has shifted from being a group of individuals to a collective. Before you didn't need to be an ultra fan to get a sense of their personalities--seeing them on stage was enough. Now you have to actively look into their off-stage antics to know who they are.

honey · Post by **honey** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:08 pm

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To be fair, less opportunities though. Most tv shows, magazines, etc. aren't interest in them and management did their best to make sure the few that were weren't that interesting because every front girl they've picked from 9th gen on has been a total wet blanket off stage.</blockquote>

Do you think HP does this on purpose? We know some members like Masaki have big personalities that seem to get shot down by management.

Anderei · Post by **Anderei** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:09 pm

I'm sure they've told her to keep her mouth shut but I don't think she has the right personality for variety anyway. I think to be good at variety you have to be well spoken and have a good sense of comedic timing and her thing is and always has been 'lol so random!!!'.

Doesn't account for the other billion girls in the group, though. I honestly just don't think of them as a very ambitious group outside of having the regular ambitions that every idol who has ever debuted has.

DonJuan · Post by **DonJuan** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:56 pm

Yeah, I think girls like the two Harunas can talk rather well (even though Oharu's jokes are a bit...), but they never do more than necessary. Granted, what for? They still get paid more than most idols and considering they're mostly coming from families that are really well off they don't even need their paycheck.
And yeah, what Zoe said about them becoming a collective.

Madara · Post by **Madara** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:10 pm

I should point out that I base my assessment of them almost entirely on concert performances and music videos. I don't watch a lot of their other TV appearances, other than the random video like the MM DVD Magazine with the Haruka-as-high school love object drama/skit or videos that Kitaoji sends me, like the one with General Momohime conducting the HinaFes selections with all of H!P present. To be honest, how they do on stage is most important to me.

momoirosaya · Post by **momoirosaya** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:43 pm

Masaki is known for not liking being on TV. She always tries to avoid cameras.

pharbron · Post by **pharbron** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:56 pm

Thursday, December 14 2017, Fukumura Mizuki and Ikuta Erina passed Yaguchi Mari on the Morning Musume tenure list to move into 8th.

1. Michishige Sayumi is at 11 years, 10 months, 7 days
2. Niigaki Risa is at 10 years, 8 months, 22 days
3. Tanaka Reina is at 10 years, 4 months, 2 days
4. Takahashi Ai is at 10 years, 1 month, 4 days
5. Kamei Eri is at 7 years, 10 months, 26 days
6. Iida Kaori is at 7 years, 4 months, 23 days
7. Yoshizawa Hitomi is at 7 years, 20 days
8. Fukumura Mizuki and Ikuta Erina are at 6 years, 11 months, 12 days
10. Yaguchi Mari is at 6 years, 11 months, 11 days
11. Abe Natsumi is at 6 years, 4 months, 18 days
12. Iikubo Haruna, Ishida Ayumi and Sato Masaki are at 6 years, 2 months, 15 days
15. Kudo Haruka is at 6 years, 2 months, 12 days
16. Mitsui Aika is at 5 years, 5 months, 8 days
17. Suzuki Kanon is at 5 years, 4 months, 29 days
18. Oda Sakura is at 5 years, 3 months
19. Ishikawa Rika is at 5 years, 21 days
20. Yasuda Kei is at 5 years, 2 days
21. Ogawa Makoto is at 5 years, 1 day
22. Sayashi Riho is at 4 years, 11 months, 29 days
22. Konno Asami is at 4 years, 10 months, 27 days
24. Kusumi Koharu is at 4 years, 7 months, 5 days
25. Fujimoto Miki is at 4 years, 4 months, 13 days
26. Tsuji Nozomi and Kago Ai are at 4 years, 3 months, 16 days
28. Li Chun and Qian Lin are at 3 years, 9 months
30. Nakazawa Yuko is at 3 years, 7 months, 8 days
31. Ogata Haruna, Nonaka Miki, Makino Marina and Haga Akane are at 3 years, 2 months, 14 days
35. Goto Maki is at 3 years, 1 month, 1 day
36. Ishiguro Aya is at 2 years, 4 months
37. Ichii Sayaka is at 2 years, 18 days
38. Fukuda Asuka is at 1 year, 7 months, 11 days
39. Kaga Kaede and Yokoyama Reina are at 1 year, 2 days
41. Morito Chisaki is at 5 months, 18 days

AquaChan · Post by **AquaChan** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:03 pm

Can't believe how 12th gen has passed Goto on the list and are just starting to have a (rather small) impact on the group. That's crazy.

Anderei · Post by **Anderei** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:53 pm

What's crazier is that CG was announced around the same time and have already been shuffled and demoted to a sub group.

AquaChan · Post by **AquaChan** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:07 pm

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Anderei" data-cid="211716" data-time="1513320794">What's crazier is that CG was announced around the same time and have already been shuffled and demoted to a sub group.</blockquote>
This and Kobushigedon.

Madara · Post by **Madara** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:30 am

If Sakura Oda stays at least a year longer, she'll pass 10th Gen as the complete Gen with the longest tenure.

Madara · Post by **Madara** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:44 am

We were able to watch Kudo's graduation concert because it streamed over the Fuji TV website. Does this mean TV viewers were able to see it on TV (and not their computers) in Japan? Or was it only available via streaming? If it was shown on TV, when did that begin? When did H!P concerts first start getting broadcast to TV viewers in Japan live?

Thanks.

Meikochi · Post by **Meikochi** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:10 am

I'm pretty sure H!P streamed concerts are available on TV since at least Berry graduation (March 2015) (completely sure from Fukuda's graduation, November 2015).

momoirosaya · Post by **momoirosaya** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:21 am

But it’s on B!S Sky TV which is a subscription channel, like cable.

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